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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 2:58pm  
@stella1029
PD have been through the training on dealing with mentally ill individuals, the Negotiators have been through training.
 
@stella1029 I feel that the police did their job.
 
I guess ones who think he was shot feel different.
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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 3:06pm  
Every one is looking at the point where he steps out of the house with a loaded weapon. I am thinking about stuff that could have been done long before it ever got to that point. Like quality mental health care available to everyone Police responders trained to deal with the mentally ill? More rigorous enforcement of limiting gun ownership by the mentally ill?
 
@joepyeweed - Quality mental health care for everyone would be great. But mental health care is likely the first thing to get cut if Trump and the Republicans get their way. Poor people, the homeless, and the mentally ill will suffer the most with the huge Medicaid cuts they want.
 
Many police responders are trained to deal with the mentally ill. At this point, we have no idea what discussions took place between the police and the suspect. I would imagine over the course of 3 hours they tried several different methods.
 
I agree that there should be more rigorous enforcement of limiting gun ownership by the mentally ill. But the NRA is programmed to fight anything that limits gun ownership and they are the biggest lobbyists in Washington. And, in this case, limiting gun ownership of mentally ill individuals wouldn't have made any difference. He didn't have the gun legally.
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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 3:10pm  
He didn't have the gun legally.
 
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Now he has a family saying that they didn't get the chance to help and he didn't have a gun.
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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 3:12pm  
@radar_99 Quality mental health care for everyone would be great. But mental health care is likely the first thing to get cut if Trump and the Republicans get their way.
 
Better look up who SOLD Zellars to ICC and left the area with severely limited beds to treat folks.
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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 3:14pm  
@tntrecycling NO video to prove it either way PPD messed up NOT having the robot with a camera going.
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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 3:14pm  
@EyeintheSky Now Now WE can only blame one person for things.
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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 3:16pm  
@tntrecycling Robbie the Robot for slacking on the job.
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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 3:17pm  
NO video to prove it either way PPD messed up NOT having the robot with a camera going.
 
@EyeintheSky
 
Still getting acquainted with protocol.
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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 3:22pm  
But mental health care is likely the first thing to get cut if Trump and the Republicans get their way. Poor people, the homeless, and the mentally ill will suffer the most with the huge Medicaid cuts they want.
 
@radar_99
Zeller Mental Health Center was closed in 2002 because the Illinois State Legislature drastically cut its budget. You can't blame Trump and the Republicans for that.
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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 3:35pm  
radar_99 Zeller Mental Health Center was closed in 2002 because the Illinois State Legislature drastically cut its budget. You can't blame Trump and the Republicans for that.
 
@JustRight - I'm not talking about 2002. I'm talking about 2017. Medicaid is going to be cut by billions. Do you think that won't have any effect on the mentally ill getting health care they need?
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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 3:40pm  
radar_99 Zeller Mental Health Center was closed in 2002 because the Illinois State Legislature drastically cut its budget. You can't blame Trump and the Republicans for that.
 
@JustRight - BTW, George Ryan closed Zeller. George was a Republican.
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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 3:49pm  
@radar_99
No, Ryan didn't close it. The budget for it was slashed by the Democrats in the IL State House, led by Mike Madigan.
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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 3:51pm  
"Governor George Ryan had a surprise for central Illinois buried in this year’s State of the State address. To save money in a darkening state economy, he proposed that the 35-year-old Zeller Mental Health Center in Peoria be closed.
 
Six months later it was, and 242 full- and part-time employees were out of work.
 
“Zeller is another one of those institutions that’s old and needs some improvement, and I’m not sure how many people were there, but we’re going to consolidate it into more efficient operations that we have around the state,” Ryan said at the time.
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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 4:37pm  
The closing of Zellar was in part due to the change in federal funding for mental health services. When Reagan took office in 1981, with a republican senate and a democratic house (the democratic house was tenuous, because many democrats from the south in congress at the time voted with the republicans), the republican controlled government discarded a fairly new Comprehensive Mental Health System Act passed under the Carter Administration and simply block granted the money to the states.
 
I am pretty sure that conclusions regarding the effectiveness of that huge shift in how mental health is funded are mixed.
 
I am sure there are advantages to not housing people indefinitely in huge mental institutions, that were fraught with problems like abuse and neglect. The disadvantages include an increase in mentally ill homeless, the increase of the numbers of mentally ill people in prison, and limited availability of mental health services to people who need them.
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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 5:12pm  
More rigorous enforcement of limiting gun ownership by the mentally ill?
 
@joepyeweed
 
did he own the gun? Which FFL allowed him to buy it?
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