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Unknown2k Active Indicator LED Icon 6
~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 12:19pm  
Unknown2k Which one? Take your pick.
 
@Norwood
 
I'm new here. Enlighten me.
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tntrecycling Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 12:45pm  
@Unknown2k The point in which we should Love everyone yet people decide to kill, rob, rape, defile.
 
Who are equal who are not. Are not all treaded equal gays, Blacks, transgendered, Mexican and so on.
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joepyeweed Active Indicator LED Icon 15
~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 2:21pm  
joepyeweed Were military weapons and/or tactics used in this particular case? If so, please explain. A few days ago you questioned whether the PD had de-escalation training. Now you point to it as a definitive. Please share what you learned in that time to change your opinion. Thanks
 
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First of all, nothing in that list was intended to be definitive.
 
As for military tactics, he was shot by six (or was it eight) officers 17 -18 times. That seems like it could be a military type tactic. And there was some type of special response unit there... was that special response unit equipped to deal with the mentally ill or were they more a tactical type of a unit?
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AV8R Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 2:24pm  
OK, I must have misunderstood the fact that you made the de-escalation comment as a statement, instead of a question.
 
Until I hear otherwise, I'm going to assume that he was shot by multiple handguns, which to me would not be a military tactic. He also was advancing on them with a gun in hand, according to reports. The military would have just burned the whole house to the ground.
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joepyeweed Active Indicator LED Icon 15
~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 2:27pm  
I prefaced the list with a "could have"...
 
This was a case of a mentally ill, armed, black, bank robber... Tragically, he was the epitome of nearly every stereotype of who is most likely to be killed by the police.
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Unknown2k Active Indicator LED Icon 6
~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 2:27pm  
AV8R First of all, nothing in that list was intended to be definitive. As for military tactics, he was shot by six (or was it eight) officers 17 -18 times. That seems like it could be a military type tactic. And there was some type of special response unit there... was that special response unit equipped to deal with the mentally ill or were they more a tactical type of a unit?
 
@joepyeweed
 
How would the police know he was mentally ill? He was cognitive enough to use a weapon and rob a bank, but not cognitive enough to get shot for robbing said bank? That sounds like a bit of a stretch there.
 
Could you please define mental illness? These days, that is 90% of the US population.
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leslie110 Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 2:30pm  
To me it is this simple...he had a long history with police, he robbed a bank, he came at officers with a gun. I imagine the officers each saw the gun and began to fire, that is why he was shot so many times. I feel sorry for the deceased, he obviously had some issues, but I wouldn't sacrifice an officer's life for his.
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joepyeweed Active Indicator LED Icon 15
~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 2:30pm  
His record showed that had been found not guilty by reason of mental insanity on a previous offense. And his father was at the scene and claims to have told the police he was mentally ill.
 
They were in a stand off for hours, so surely they had this information from multiple sources.
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Unknown2k Active Indicator LED Icon 6
~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 2:34pm  
His record showed that had been found not guilty by reason of mental insanity on a previous offense. And his father was at the scene and claims to have told the police he was mentally ill. They were in a stand off for hours, so surely they had this information from multiple sources.
 
@joepyeweed
 
He had already showed a great lack of regard to the lives of everyone in the bank. Sick or not, at what point would you suggest action be taken to save a life? AFTER he kills someone?
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joepyeweed Active Indicator LED Icon 15
~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 2:38pm  
Every one is looking at the point where he steps out of the house with a loaded weapon.
 
I am thinking about stuff that could have been done long before it ever got to that point.
 
Like quality mental health care available to everyone
 
Police responders trained to deal with the mentally ill?
 
More rigorous enforcement of limiting gun ownership by the mentally ill?
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Unknown2k Active Indicator LED Icon 6
~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 2:42pm  
Every one is looking at the point where he steps out of the house with a loading weapon. I am thinking about stuff that could have been done long before it ever got to that point. Like quality mental health care available to everyone Police responders trained to deal with the mentally ill?
 
@joepyeweed
 
A fair point. However, once he committed the violent crime he sort of rolled the dice. The result is his fault, and his alone.
 
insinuating that the police are not equipment to handle a mental ill person is not a fair statement. When someone advances on you, with a gun there is really only one response as sad as that may be.
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EyeintheSky Active Indicator LED Icon 9
~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 2:47pm  
@Unknown2k I can see them ignore this information.
Had the same issue the night of the shooting behind my house tried to tell the cops saw two people running away from the area. They were all like we will deal with that AFTER we find all bullet casings. So do you think I was offering any more help NO went in-house and let them alone.
 
They come striding in like they know something BUT there are folks who have lived here 20+ years and know which way they will run from cops.
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joepyeweed Active Indicator LED Icon 15
~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 2:47pm  
joepyeweed A fair point. However, once he committed the violent crime he sort of rolled the dice. The result is his fault, and his alone.
 
@Unknown2k
 
Right but that is assuming he the mental capacity to accept that responsibility?
 
I suspect he wanted the police to kill him.
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joepyeweed Active Indicator LED Icon 15
~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 2:50pm  
joepyeweed A fair point. However, once he committed the violent crime he sort of rolled the dice. The result is his fault, and his alone. insinuating that the police are not equipment to handle a mental ill person is not a fair statement. When someone advances on you, with a gun there is really only one response as sad as that may be.
 
@Unknown2k
 
Again, you are focusing on one moment in time. And we will never know if a different approach would have resulted in a different outcome.
 
But in this particular instance, the guy ended up dead, which is not the desired outcome.
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~ 6 years ago   Sep 26, '17 2:52pm  
It was reported on WEEK lastnight that though not all officers on the PD have been through the training on dealing with mentally ill individuals, the Negotiators have been through training.
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