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AnneC Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 9 years ago   Sep 24, '14 4:46pm  
@HipKat:
$1.89 was the national average on 01/20/2009. Check out the charts on gasbuddy.com . They really are pretty interesting.
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HipKat Active Indicator LED Icon 16 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Sep 24, '14 6:12pm  
That's very flawed. It was low at that time, BUT it had been as high as almost 4.00 in August 2008 and was on the rise to that point going back to 2997 when it was at 2.11.
 
To say that gas was so low when Bush left is to say that November is Tornado season and Washington is always going to be a target just because it happened one time
 
www.GasBuddy.com/gb_ retail_price_chart.a spx?city1=Peoria&cit y2=&city3=&crud
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DennisinPeoria Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Sep 24, '14 9:04pm  
Filled up Tuesday at Thornton's at 3.23 in Creve Coeur. Didn't have time to run to Chilli after work for the real cheap prices. Today the same Thornton gas station had dropped to $3.15. Just my luck.
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Emtronics Active Indicator LED Icon 4
~ 9 years ago   Sep 25, '14 4:16am  

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@Mahkno:
 
Thank him when the price drops to the price per gallon when he took office.
 
@AverageJoe:
Is THAT what you call blaming Obama? No....I didn't read it that way. Emtronics, on the other hand, took the opportunity to bash Bush....with distorted facts. I'm not defending Bush...I just dislike the rewriting of history to fit someone's agenda.
 
 
@AnneC:
Show me ONE distorted fact. Please. And Yes I and every American have a Right to blame Bush and never forget what he and his Administration did to this country. You have no trouble bashing our President now. Please give me some facts. Obama did in fact save this country. remember how the Right said he was coming for your guns? How they said the Stimulus Package would cause the collapse of the dollar by 2010? How GM would never ever survive and pay back the government? (In fact they called it Government Motors) How Obama was going to implement Sharia Law? How the ACA would bankrupt this country? (over 54 attempted repeals by the Right)
Obama has paid down the National Debt the fastest in US History.
 
Here are some Bush facts: 9/11 happened on his watch. The worse attack on America since Pearl Harbor
Lied about WMDs to invade Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11
Implemented Plan D Mediacare without any funding thus adding to the National Debt
Tripled the National Debt. The highest in US history
Lied about oil paying for the Iraqi War
Lied about Mission Accomplished
Lied about the US being greeted as Liberators.
and now we feel the effects to this day with the region in the Middle East so disrupted by Bush policies that we have ISIL, a VA so over whelmed by the thousands and thousands of injured Vets from Bush's war.....
ah Hell I'll never forget
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Emtronics Active Indicator LED Icon 4
~ 9 years ago   Sep 25, '14 4:28am  

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@Emtronics:
 
You need to stop watching MSNBC, and understand that Jon Stewart is a COMEDIAN. Get some real news for a change. Let's start with this.
 
(1) "Bush tripled the deficit."
 
2001 $5.8 trillion
2009 $11.9 trillion
 
The last figure includes Obama's stimulus, but the most you could say is that the deficit DOUBLED during the Bush years. Of course, much of this was due to the Clinton recession as Bush took office (dot.com bubble burst) and entitlement spending. The "War on Terror" was expensive, but hardly any different from a stimulus package (production of bombs, missiles, aircraft, R&D, etc. kept or put tens of thousands to work).
 
(2) "No one on the Right" complained of Bush's "massive" deficits.
 
Not true. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck were all critical of Bush's big spending. But deficits reached a new level under Obama, and they've only recently contracted with spending restraint and economic growth.
 
(3) Obama lowered the debt at a faster rate than any president in history.
 
I'm laughing so hard, I may need a funeral.
 
(4) Obama saved our economy.
 
Like FDR how got us out of the Great Depression (in case you don't follow, FDR's nutty economic policies kept us from recovery. Starting in 1940, only the benefits of the Lend-Lease Act and the build-up of American military power during the Second World War got us out of economic doldrums).
 
(5) Obama gave health care to millions.
 
Correction: Obama attempted to provide Health INSURANCE to millions, but in the process, millions lost their insurance (remember, "if you like your insurance, you can keep it."). "Health insurance" and "health care" are not the same.
 
(6) Obama doesn't get credit for his "successes."
 
Not true. MSNBC, Randy Emert, Joe Biden and countless others praise Obama all day long. I suspect, though, that the whining about him not getting credit reveals that his supporters know the truth, but refuse to admit it. Domestic and Foreign policy alike are in shambles thanks to Obama's anti-American worldview.
 
On the campaign trail, five days before the 2008 election, Obama said we were five days away from fundamentally transforming America. Six years later, we now know he meant. Some say they miss George W. Bush...
 
...I miss Jimmy Carter. Emoticon
 
@bn13814: I don't watch MSNBC. I don't watch that women on Fox and Friends with the two boobs. I'm not talking about her breasts either.
 
Obama's stimulus was a success. It was the Right that said the dollar would crash by 2010. Nothing the Right has predicted has come true. Nothing. The ACA is a success. What you don't tell is that those that lost their health insurance, were getting it from companies that didn't comply with the new law. Thus the policies had to be cancelled. Again, like Fix News, you don't tell the other story of how those people got new and cheaper, better polices. Millions do have health insurance today where they did not before and there is no dispute that more Americans are covered today than ever before, so your loss of insurance doesn't hold any water. But I do agree that your points are right from Karl Rove and Fox News. And yes of course those like Biden would praise the President because the Party of No has done nothing but try to stop this President at every turn. No jobs bill, no nothing from the Right except government shutdowns, decreasing VA benefits for the Vets, unfunding social programs while making their rich contractor war friends richer. And richer they have gotten since Obama took office.
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AverageJoe Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Sep 25, '14 7:34am  
I wonder how long the Right will be blaming Obama for America's problems once he's out of office.
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bn13814 Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Sep 25, '14 7:42am  
I wonder how long the Right will be blaming Obama for America's problems once he's out of office.
 
@AverageJoe:
 
Probably as long as Obama blamed Bush...
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AverageJoe Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Sep 25, '14 7:48am  
actually, I'd say "probably as long as the Left blamed Bush."
 
and that's my point. Each side thinks they've got the corner on intelligence and morality and righteousness. It's nuts.
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bn13814 Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Sep 25, '14 8:29am  
@Emtronics:
 
Obama's stimulus was a success.
 
By what measure? Obama said it would keep unemployment below 8% (it didn't); that it would have an immediate impact through "shovel-ready" jobs (it didn't; even Obama himself admitted in Durham, NC in June 2011, "Shovel-ready was not as shovel-ready as we expected"). He also promised it would lift 2 million Americans out of poverty. The official poverty rate was 14.3% in 2009, but had risen to 15% in 2012, and was stuck there in 2013.
 
I could go on...
 
It was the Right that said the dollar would crash by 2010.
 
Peter Schiff said the dollar would crash by 2010. He correctly predicted the financial crisis (and its causes). He was going by historical precedent. Everyone makes mistakes, especially when trying to predict the future. What is inexcusable is when people corrected with HISTORICAL facts refuse to acknowledge them, and accept them (I see you repeated your "Bush tripled the debt" nonsense to AnneC).
 
Nothing the Right has predicted has come true. Nothing.
 
I believe the Right's record is better than the Left...
 
The ACA is a success. What you don't tell is that those that lost their health insurance, were getting it from companies that didn't comply with the new law. Thus the policies had to be cancelled. Again, like Fix News, you don't tell the other story of how those people got new and cheaper, better polices. Millions do have health insurance today where they did not before and there is no dispute that more Americans are covered today than ever before, so your loss of insurance doesn't hold any water.
 
um...
 
POLITIFACT Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'
 
www.politifact.com/t ruth-o-meter/article /2013/dec/12/lie-yea r-if-you-like-y
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AnneC Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 9 years ago   Sep 25, '14 8:36am  
I just put Emtronics on my "ignore" list....something I almost never do. That level of crazy scares me.
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bn13814 Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Sep 25, '14 8:44am  
I just put Emtronics on my "ignore" list....something I almost never do. That level of crazy scares me.
 
@AnneC:
 
Randy's robotic repetition of talking points is hilarious and sad at the same time.
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bn13814 Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Sep 25, '14 9:13am  
actually, I'd say "probably as long as the Left blamed Bush."
 
and that's my point. Each side thinks they've got the corner on intelligence and morality and righteousness. It's nuts.
 
@AverageJoe:
 
The Left has built and sustained the lie that the financial crisis in 2008 was "Bush's fault," but five years earlier, the ultra-left wing New York Times reported this.
 
www.nytimes.com/2003 /09/11/business/new- agency-proposed-to-o versee-freddie-
 
The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.
 
Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.
 
The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.
 
The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt -- is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.
 
Who blocked Bush's effort? Democrats...specifically Rep. Barney Frank, the leading Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee from 2003 to 2011 (and chair for the last four years). Even a liberal acknowledged this in 2008.
 
frankwarner.typepad. com/free_frank_warne r/2008/09/barney-fra nk-op.html
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AverageJoe Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Sep 25, '14 9:52am  
I think it's been established that there's more than enough blame to go around. However, one thing for sure, sure as **** ain't Obama's fault.
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bn13814 Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Sep 25, '14 10:39am  
I think it's been established that there's more than enough blame to go around. However, one thing for sure, sure as **** ain't Obama's fault.
 
@AverageJoe:
 
Obama was one of the Senators that voted against Fannie and Freddie reform bill in 2005 (his first year in the Senate). I won't suggest that $125,000 in campaign donations from employees and PACs of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had anything to do with it. Emoticon
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AverageJoe Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Sep 25, '14 10:46am  
like I said... enough blame to go around. I should have it wasn't *primarily* his fault. He was a small part, just as many, many, many others played a part. I think Barney Frank was a big contributor and has much more blame at his feet than O does.
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