@QuispNQuake :Let me ask you. What do you think particularily is going on at Cat that has you invoking the name Enron? Give me a "for instance" if you would.

@billybob :Do you have a "for instance" you can share, billybob?Sounds like all you guys have developed your views from a bunch of "he saids, she saids". If you can't produce anything to sink teeth into all you guys are doing is simply bad-mouthing a company and its execs that you apparently have a grudge against.

@jooerl : No grudge here! Just reality! You seem to think that everyone plays by the rules. They don't. Especially when it comes to stock prices. And derivatives. Wow, talk about corruption there with derivatives! And my mention of Enron? Anyone can look that up! Specifics? The whole entire atmosphere at CAT has radically changed. That should tell you something right there. And the fact that they've been going down hill since 2011.I'd say more, but I don't want The Little Tyrant busting down my door.

Here's a good one for anyone to sink their teeth into!!!www.bloomberg.com/ne ws/articles/2015-09- 14/was-tom-hayes-run ning-the-bigges

@QuispNQuake :I'll take your response as an "I have nothing of substance to offer but innuendo only".

@QuispNQuake :LOL! and Wow! The topic is CAT and you give me an article on Tom Hayes to justify your assertions regarding CAT!? Talk about diverting the focus and topic.

Oh jooerl! For shame! You know you're one of my favorites for which to throw the financial banter back and forth!You falsely accuse me! Go back and read my comments on other "CAT" threads! But hey, I'll cut you some slack and sum it up here:1) my husband used to work there, PhD Mechanical Engineer, he got laid off after a lot of years2) before my husband got chopped, in the years before that, he saw people around him get chopped, no one was spared. Especially during the recession of '08.3) before he was chopped, we watched CAT go from a family-friendly company to Ebenezer Scrooge.4) The new company he is with treats him completely different. Night and day. We are making more money and have more job security than ever. It only contrasts how bad it was at CAT. 5) when the price of oil is low, it's bad for the mining industry.jooerl, it's one thing to have raw data, and it's equally valid to have the "experience" part to go with it.CAT's just nowhere near where it used to be. Getting laid off from there is the best thing that ever happened to our family. If a family can leave and find a job elsewhere, they ought to do it.There. Now The Little Tyrant really is going to bust down my door. Been nice bantering, jooerl.

I've always said; If you really want to know what's going on at Cat, just ask someone who's never worked there.

@QuispNQuake :I "falsely accused you of...????? What exactly?All that "banter" you wrote is fine and irrelevant to your initial "Enron" post which implied fraud. All I asked from you was a "for instance" relating to your "Enron" post. You find it difficult to remain on topic and answer simple questions regarding your insinuation...instead give hyperlinks, emotion and some family history. I now know you have nothing there regarding YOUR "Enron" post but emotions, hyperbole and personal bias.

Apparently Jooerl you have one of the most common addictions in America, an addiction to being right, maybe an attorney? Think of what would be available to you, if you allowed yourself to see the other side of the issue, even if the other side or position is not your personal truth or the truth. No one is asking you to change your position or mind, but you seem to easily go into "attack" mode on a discussion among adults. It's just an observation of mine.

@PeoriaPatriot :Well, PP, since you are observing, maybe you can determine what is true here in an absolute sense. I mean, what is truth as opposed to conjecture, in your opinion, regarding the statements that I've challenged? There is no other side or issue here. Something is either true or it is not true. Correct? What is the other side of the issue here as you feel it?Posters on this thread are writing statements about a company and its execs that are written with a flair of credibility. I should take what they say as credible and move on? Don't comment on it, don't question it? Was I mean or vulgar?Are these true statements, PP, "Cat execs? All they are concerned about is how much money they can personally make. And they artificially inflate the stock price to do it. Caterpillar the company? The employees? They could care less. The greed is sickening." ?-
If I knew these statements to be true then I wouldn't have challenged them.May I ask without rebuke for examples of what a poster means or implies about Cat when they post "Gee, remember that place called "Enron"??"?--
I think I know what the implication is. May I ask that poster a question as I did and why they invoked Enron?If you take for granted that most of what you read any where is somehow true, you're not only naive but you're possibly getting conned in that you believed non-truth as truth. Conjecture isn't truth without substance to back it up. I think that's what I was asking for. No?My addiction isn't with being right. It's with being factual or accurate. And upon a challenge, none of the posters I responded to could stand by their assertions with facts.

Did you ever think about why no one is giving specific examples? Maybe it would cause harm to that person or the person the info came from?

@bgbird68 :bg, if someone knows something illegal is going on at Cat then they shouldn't be posting that knowledge or innuendo in a chat room. They should go to the attorney general, FBI or SEC and report it.But I understand what you are saying. Still, companies only go after an internet poster if they determine libel, defamation or slander. Doors getting kicked in by "tyrants" is called breaking and entering, robbery and assault and doesn't happen. Legal action is what happens.

And do you think the person at Cat who said that would risk putting his/her job on the line, in this job market? And all you have to do is look at twittergate to see what can happen.

@bgbird68 :Yea but you and others are the ones posting the innuendos and allegations of wrongdoing at Cat. You are the ones putting your selves in any sort of legal jeopardy. And by extension, your source. Twittergate isn't what happens in the corporate world. Lawsuits and cease and desist orders are the norm. Normally it doesn't get that far unless posts have negative effects on the company or its stock. And that's another thing. If your posts were to affect the stock price and shareholders, either individual or institutional, and, those shareholders lost money you could have those shareholders coming after you legally.