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AverageJoe Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 8 years ago   Aug 3, '15 6:59pm  
No matter WHAT "compelling message" anyone (not just pols) has, you'll never get 90% of the population on board with it. Doesn't matter what the subject.
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bn13814 Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 8 years ago   Aug 3, '15 7:13pm  
@shifty
 
And these are the exact reasons blacks and Latinos aren't going to turn out for a Republican just because of his race. We can argue whether what you say is true or not, but it certainly isn't attractive to minority voters.
 
Republicans should stop pandering to minorities that won't vote for them anyway. Conservative candidates who effectively articulate their message will attract voters of all races and both genders.
 
No one cares that Carson was a neurosurgeon,
 
Yes they do. Many people recognize that a brain doctor is sorely needed in Washington DC. Emoticon
 
and the "community organizer" is irrelevant now that Obama's had his term and re-election, no less. I fail to see the relevance of neurosurgery to a person's ability to be president.
 
Quite relevant. After 6.5 years, the country knows it made a mistake electing a "community organizer."
 
You guys love to elect anti-science morons, since when did that change?
 
"Anti-science morons" = atheistic/humanistic/liberal slur against (1) those seeing the truth behind global warming alarmism and (2) those who believe the universe was formed by an all-powerful Creator.
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Rixblix Active Indicator LED Icon 5
~ 8 years ago   Aug 3, '15 7:50pm  
I'm quite content with my community organizer and I'll be even more content with Sanders!
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AnneC Active Indicator LED Icon 11 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Aug 3, '15 8:24pm  
@leslie:
"What does it matter?"
"You didn't build that."
Quotes taken out of context, just like what you say Carson said about ObamaCare. Here is the rest of what he actually said:
“It is slavery because it aims to make all of us subservient to the government,” he said. “It was never about health care. It was about control. Socialized medicine is the keystone in the establishment of a socialist state."
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AnneC Active Indicator LED Icon 11 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Aug 3, '15 8:36pm  
@Shifty:
Ben Carson was born to a black mother who was one of 24 children and who had a 3rd grade education.
His mother divorced his father when she found out he was a bigamist who secretly had another family.
Single mother moved with her two sons from inner-city Detroit, to inner-city Boston, where they lived with extended family. His mother refused to go on welfare, choosing instead to work, to set an example for her sons.
But he's not black enough because he became a successful neurosurgeon?
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shifty Active Indicator LED Icon 15
~ 8 years ago   Aug 3, '15 8:59pm  
@bn13814
"Republicans should stop pandering to minorities that won't vote for them anyway. Conservative candidates who effectively articulate their message will attract voters of all races and both genders."
 
I agree with the first statement, but your second is a paradox. Conservative candidates who effectively articulate their message tend to alienate all but their most conservative base voters. I'd say Trump is doing a good job articulating his message. In the meantime he is riling up the GOP, while rallying the far right base. He certainly isn't reaching out to anyone but dyed-in-the-wool right-wingers.
 
""Anti-science morons" = atheistic/humanistic/liberal slur against (1) those seeing the truth behind global warming alarmism and (2) those who believe the universe was formed by an all-powerful Creator."
 
98%+ of the scientific community (not to mention the rest of the planet) is settled on climate change being real. Politicians call it alarmism. I know who I trust more.
There is literally nothing at all scientific about religion. So yeah, my slur stands on its own merits.
 
"Quite relevant. After 6.5 years, the country knows it made a mistake electing a "community organizer.""
 
Ha, it might be a surprise to you within your right-wing echo chamber, but roughly half the country is pretty pleased with Obama.
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JnJ Active Indicator LED Icon 17
~ 8 years ago   Aug 3, '15 9:14pm  
@AverageJoe
 
"No matter WHAT "compelling message" anyone (not just pols) has, you'll never get 90% of the population on board with it. Doesn't matter what the subject."
 
Yeah you're right I was drunk when I wrote that. But clearly a solid majority. I think people can change their minds about Trump for instance on a dime. That was evident in just the last week or so.
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JnJ Active Indicator LED Icon 17
~ 8 years ago   Aug 3, '15 9:28pm  
@AnneC "But he's not black enough because he became a successful neurosurgeon?" Unbelievable.
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shifty Active Indicator LED Icon 15
~ 8 years ago   Aug 3, '15 9:42pm  
@JnJ What's unbelievable about it? The black demographic isn't exactly homogeneous (and neither is white for that matter). There are a cross-section of blacks that no doubt voted for Obama because he was black, and for that reason alone. But he also has street cred.
 
A neurosurgeon who is fomenting the coming socialist revolution does not. And comparing Obamacare (of which many blacks are benefiting) to slavery doesn't help his cause with minorities either.
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AnneC Active Indicator LED Icon 11 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Aug 3, '15 9:46pm  
Obama has street cred?
Did he get that while growing up surfing in Hawaii, while living with his white grandma?
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shifty Active Indicator LED Icon 15
~ 8 years ago   Aug 3, '15 9:48pm  
@AnneC No, he got it doing the "community organizing" right-wingers love to point out as a flaw so often. Also, he's pretty smooth and he keeps his pimp hand strong.
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AnneC Active Indicator LED Icon 11 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Aug 3, '15 9:53pm  
As for ObamaCare, that isn't getting any more popular:
"ObamaCare enrollees are less satisfied with their plans than people with other types of health insurance, according to a new poll.
 
The poll from the Deloitte Center for Health Solutions, the research arm of the consulting firm, finds that 30 percent of people with insurance through ObamaCare’s marketplaces are satisfied with their plans.
 
That compares with 42 percent satisfaction from people with employer-sponsored plans, 48 percent with Medicaid and 58 percent with Medicare.
Cost is the most common reason cited for the dissatisfaction with ObamaCare. Republicans have attacked the high deductibles and other out-of-pocket expenses under the system.
 
An analysis from the consulting firm HealthPocket found that last year the average deductible for a silver-level ObamaCare plan was $2,907, more than twice as much as the average deductible in an employer-sponsored plan.
 
Hillary Clinton has called for fixes to the law to “deal with the high cost of deductibles that put such a burden on so many working families.”
 
The poll finds that one in three ObamaCare enrollees had trouble paying their out of pocket expenses. "
thehill.com/policy/h ealthcare/250058-pol l-obamacare-enrollee s-less-satisfie
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shifty Active Indicator LED Icon 15
~ 8 years ago   Aug 3, '15 9:57pm  
@AnneC Uh, yeah, employer-sponsored plans are better than Obamacare. What I took from that is that 48% and 58% are happy with Medicaid/Medicare, so why aren't we expanding that?
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AnneC Active Indicator LED Icon 11 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Aug 3, '15 10:06pm  
"The poll finds that one in three ObamaCare enrollees had trouble paying their out of pocket expenses."
No exactly a roaring success.
 
While Obama was busy being a community organizer, Dr. Ben Carson was founding the Carson Scholars Fund, which gives scholarships to children in need who "have embraced high levels of academic excellence and community service." In the past 20 years, the Fund has awarded 6,700 scholarships to kids representing every state, and the District of Columbia.
Yeah...I'd call that "street cred".
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 3, '15 10:11pm  
Obamacare is a huge failure. It was successful in raising costs for 100% of the people already covered by insurance to provide insurance to an extra 5% of the population.
 
It needs to be gone completely or replaced by a single payer system. I'd take a Medicare setup with supplement plans if you want any day of the week.
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