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PeoriaIllinoisan 10k+ OP 
~ 5 days ago    
EV personal charging station
 
Talk to me. Can I just throw an extension cord out the kitchen window or do I need a stand alone fast chargers. I assume I do. What does something like that run? (I'll need an electrician too.) Does the city or county require some sort of permit or work order to do this? It would be outdoors, not inside of a garage.
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tntrecycling 25k+
~ 5 days ago    
@PeoriaIllinoisan :
I have an outside charging unit. I received from Land Rover Jaguar dealership. It looks like you plug it in. I will look at it more tomorrow. I have most of the manual.
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mypeez 10k+
~ 5 days ago    
So many questions.
What are you looking at buying, full EV or plug-in hybrid?
How much are you driving?
- In-town short commutes you might be alright with the basic Level 1 (110V).
- Assume this for your Uber business, so you'll likely want a full charge daily. That would be a Level 2 (220V) charger for a full EV.
 
What does your electrical panel look like?
What load service do you have, 100amp or 200amp?
Do you have the space to add the extra circuit?
How far is the panel from the proposed charger? I would try to avoid the electronic load management chargers which allow you to tap off an existing circuit (stove or dryer) and have a dedicated circuit run.
 
Yes, you'll need a permit except for the Level 1 110V plug-in. See: il-peoria.civicplus. com/172/Do-I-Need-a- Permit
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PeoriaIllinoisan 10k+ OP 
~ 4 days ago    
@mypeez : Oberlander replaced my electrical panel a few years ago and where I would put the charging station would be a short run to it. I'd be using them again. I know they're not the cheapest but for some things I don't mess around. So I figure the purchase and installation might cost a couple grand.
 
fyi - Looking at a full EV. I drive an Accord Hybrid currently (and love it) but am exploring options.
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mypeez 10k+
~ 4 days ago    
@PeoriaIllinoisan : Sounds like you've got it covered. Oberlander would likely handle getting the permit / inspection also. Keep us posted on the EV expereince.
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tntrecycling 25k+
~ 4 days ago    
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kraziebill Online 5k+
~ 4 days ago    
Be sure to check your homeowners insurance to be sure the charger is covered. Some companies have considered the charger not part of the dwelling even though they are permanent/hardwired and require additional endorsements.
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MadScientist 100+
~ 4 days ago    
The Nissan leaf for example is available with a 75kWh battery. I assume the available capacity is less due to wear leveling and avoiding full 100% charge levels. Every mile driven consumes about 290Wh in a Leaf, in normal conditions without heating and obeying speed limits.
 
The universal EV charging cord is 12 Amps 110 Volts, so 1320 Watts. To charge 50kWh of capacity (172 Leaf miles) it would take 39.9 hours at 95% efficiency. People often say that charging this was is 3 to 4 miles per hour. Charging 12 hours each night gives you 48 miles. Enough to get to work and back for most people.
 
A NEMA 5-20 plug should be available for an EV. It has a prong that is perpendicular to the other. They are rare, and usually found on large 20 Amp 110 Volt air compressors or commercial equipment. This lets you switch in NEMA 5-20 outlet that you often see in commercial buildings in your garage, as long as you already have a 20 Amp circuit, which you should. They are rated for 16 Amps of continuous draw, while the standard 5-15 is rated for 12 Amps continuous. 108 Volts at 16 Amps is 1733 Watts. Now you can charge 50kW in in 29.4 hours. This method takes $4 in materials, and 20 minutes to install. The NEMA 5-20 charger cord would cost extra.
 
Every EV that I know of will charge on 240 Volts using the universal wall charger. You just need cut the plug off and put on a 6-15 plug on the EV charger cord, then make an adapter with a 6-15 receptacle to 5-15 plug which you will use if you need to charge from a 120 Volt outlet. You can rewire a garage circuit for 240 and replace the outlets with NEMA 6-20. 225 Volts at 12 Amps is 2700 Watts. With this you can charge 50kW in 19.5 hours. If you use the 16 Amp version you can get about 33% more. This modifying an existing circuit method would take 3 hours, about $40 in materials, and is easy to do. Your breaker panel will need an empty spot for a breaker.
 
More advanced methods involve using 30 Amp electric dryer and 50 Amp range outlets.
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PeoriaIllinoisan 10k+ OP 
~ 4 days ago    
@MadScientist : That's why I'm hiring Oberlander, lol.
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MadScientist 100+
~ 4 days ago    
A worker from Oberlander on a project I am involved in didn't care if "Oberlander fired me tomorrow". It wasn't top quality work that was done.
 
How much charging capacity do you need? Will you deplete the battery every day? About how many miles per day do you drive?
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Mahkno 10k+
~ 4 days ago    
The more amps you got the faster your vehicle will charge. Most.. or all charging stations are smart load balancing. If you don't have the free amps, they won't pull the higher amps and your vehicle will charge more slowly.
 
Can you get by with an extension cord? Sure.. but it will take forever to charge your vehicle. A fast charger is the way to go. Most people don't want to deal with the patience. You drive for uber... downtime hurts your bottom line.
 
Just because you got a new panel does not mean your service was bumped to 200 amps. My house was 100 amps when I bought it. I had to very specifically ask and have the service increased to 200 amps. You will have a master shut off switch that should have the amps on it... a 100 or 200.
 
When I last looked fast chargers topped out at 60 amps. 200 amp service is a minimum in my book for 1 fast charger. You need the rest free for all your other **** in your house. I think you can get up to 300 amp service without some major line upgrades on the poles and phasing...
 
The other thing that keeps/kept me from going electric is that I would insist on having a garage to stable the car in. I don't want to deal will high voltage out doors under the weather. There are the copper thieves too. Keep the fast charger dry in the garage. That would have meant a new garage. I was interested in a 3 car garage, alley facing... at the maximum footprint allowed of around 1400 sqft. But that is the past...
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tntrecycling 25k+
~ 3 days, 21 hrs ago    
@MadScientist :
Those who work for companies like them learn. Then after a few years take off on their own. If the owner doesn't do the work or isn't present at jobs sites who are you doing business with. Employees are not always top notched.
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