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Rain and Headlights, Oh My!

Rain and Headlights, Oh My!

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Author Photo by: DennisinPeoria Rating: 3
Mar 30 2017, 5:38pm ~ 4 weeks ago. 
Rain and Headlights, Oh My!

Coming home from Pekin on Rt. 29 North, about 3:50 pm, in pouring down rain, I
counted 16 cars or vehicles (One I saw in rearview mirror) with their wipers going, but no headlights. Quite a few just between Pekin and entrance to Marquette Heights.

So if a cop sees someone driving like this, is it grounds to pull them over for a ticket? Or is it at the cop's discretion? I know it's state law that you have to have headlights on if your wipers are going.
 
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Author Photo tntrecycling Rating: 3
Mar 30 2017, 5:52pm ~ 4 weeks ago. 
@DennisinPeoria

Tires if there 20`s or bigger. Like the Boom only few account they stop people.

Or is it at the cop's discretion


@DennisinPeoria

 
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Author Photo AV8R Rating: 4
Mar 30 2017, 8:26pm ~ 4 weeks ago. 
So if a cop sees someone driving like this, is it grounds to pull them over for a tic



2 separate issues. Grounds to make a stop is a legal standard. Whether or not they make the stop is always at the officers discretion.

 
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Author Photo AV8R Rating: 4
Mar 30 2017, 8:30pm ~ 4 weeks ago. 
A better question. What if you use Rain-X, and it's absolutely pouring but you don't have your wipers on because the rain just rolls off your windshield? Do you need to have your lights on?
 
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Author Photo RambleOn Rating: 4
Mar 30 2017, 9:07pm ~ 4 weeks ago. 
Do you need to have your lights on?


@AV8R

It is not about the rain on your windshield, it is about seeing and being seen.

 
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Author Photo AV8R Rating: 4
Mar 31 2017, 6:41am ~ 4 weeks ago. 
I know the intent of the law, I'm just loop-holing the letter of the law. Curious mind.
 
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Author Photo VonsterPeo Rating: 2
Mar 31 2017, 7:30am ~ 4 weeks ago. 
Icing on the cake? I arrived home in the rain to see my postman driving with no lights.
 
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Author Photo tntrecycling Rating: 3
Mar 31 2017, 7:33am ~ 4 weeks ago. 
@AV8R

Was wondering say you use rain-x and get pulled over for not having you headlights on is that a valid reason. I was wondering cause people need to see you not you can see its ok.
 
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Author Photo AV8R Rating: 4
Mar 31 2017, 7:51am ~ 4 weeks ago. 
The law seems ambiguous and poorly crafted. It says "Headlights are required to be on from sunset to sunrise, when wipers are in use, or when visibility is less than 1000 feet." Presumably one of those three conditions need to be met to mandate the use of headlights in Illinois.

So okay, if I use Rain-X my wipers may not be in use. Visibility can clearly be well over 1000 feet during a daylight rain storm, even when MOST cars need wipers. So if it's pouring rain, and I can see clearly for at least 1000 feet without the assistance of my wipers, I can legally drive without my headlights it would seem. HOWEVER, if I were to use my windshield washer fluid on a bright, clear sunny day, I would need to turn on my headlights for that brief moment the wipers are in use. Right?

I won't delve into the definition of the word "visibility" right now, but suffice it to say it is very subjective and has been litigated to death in the aviation realm, where there are multiple meanings for that one single word.

And before people go off, I get the safety aspect of this and I agree with it. I turn on my headlights 24/7 when I'm operating a motor vehicle, weather and time of day be damned. I believe they save lives. That doesn't mean I don't like to find loopholes in poorly crafted laws.
 
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Author Photo VonsterPeo Rating: 2
Mar 31 2017, 8:00am ~ 4 weeks ago. 
How about this - any water falling from sky or on road turn on headlights. Any fog turn on headlights. When in doubt turn on headlights.

This is NOT rocket science.
 
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Author Photo AV8R Rating: 4
Mar 31 2017, 8:38am ~ 4 weeks ago. 
I knew someone wouldn't understand the intent of my post. Did you make it to the last paragraph?
 
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Author Photo skutfarcus Rating: 6
Mar 31 2017, 8:44am ~ 4 weeks ago. 
I think it's a shame that it had to become a law. It's just common sense.
 
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Author Photo bgbird68 Rating: 3
Mar 31 2017, 11:51am ~ 4 weeks ago. 
So is a turn signal and you see how that goes.
 
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Author Photo tntrecycling Rating: 3
Mar 31 2017, 5:17pm ~ 4 weeks ago. 
@AV8R

I was just asking. I don't have any problems with Officers doing their job. Some times wish they were a little better at what they do.

I have learned to drive with mud caked on my tear off so driving with poor vison is not a problem.

I was just asking if you would feel comfortable with a Officer stopping you for choosing to not us your wipers.
 
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Author Photo AV8R Rating: 4
Mar 31 2017, 5:19pm ~ 4 weeks ago. 
I am rarely stopped by the police, even more rarely cited. When I am stopped I am polite and cooperative. Last ticket I got was in 1986
 
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Author Photo skutfarcus Rating: 6
Mar 31 2017, 5:31pm ~ 4 weeks ago. 
I've probably been stopped ten times in my life. I've only had three tickets. I'm always polite and cooperative.
 
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