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Re: Wisconsin Senate passes bill removing collec...
By: leslie110
Mar 10, 2011 - 10:48 am
If the stipping of collective bargaining is a financial issue than they can't vote on it, even as a stand alone bill.


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By: AV8R
Mar 10, 2011 - 10:57 am
I may have misunderstood your question leslie. The collective bargaining portion is a procedural vote, no need for a quorum under WI law. It may ultimately affect the states finances, but it was not a financial vote in and of itself.

Or it's partisan politics. I'm not blind to the fact that if the unions start to fall like domino's from state to state, along with that follows a substantial reduction in union money (read: power and influence) to the DNC. Private union membership has been on the decline for years. The public unions are their bread and butter now.

Which is exactly why Obama began to wade into this issue early on, before he knew that his own federal employees don't have collective bargaining, thanks to Jimmy Carter. Once he learned that, he backed off his support of WI in a big way.

This is also why the AFL-CIO was sending in carpetbaggers from states as far away as California to join the protest in Madison. Survival instinct.



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By: leslie110
Mar 10, 2011 - 11:00 am
I am thinking of going to Madison on Saturday...anyone want to go?


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By: AV8R
Mar 10, 2011 - 11:03 am
You buying the gas? I'll go support the governor. Maybe on the ride up you'll finally answer my question. I'll bug you until you do.


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Re: Wisconsin Senate passes bill removing collec...
By: leslie110
Mar 10, 2011 - 11:04 am
We can split the gas. Pick you up at 6:00 am?


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Re: Wisconsin Senate passes bill removing collec...
By: AV8R
Mar 10, 2011 - 11:31 am
Unredacted email from a union supporter to the GOP legislators in Wisconsin. Obtained from www.620wtmj.com/news/local/117732923.html
Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your familes will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell. Read below for more information on possible scenarios in which you will die.

WE want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me have decided that we've had enough. We feel that you and the people that support the dictator have to die. We have tried many other ways of dealing with your corruption but you have taken things too far and we will not stand for it any longer. So, this is how it's going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records. We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head. However, we decided that we wouldn't leave
it there.

We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message to you since you are so "high" on Koch and have decided that you are now going to single handedly make this a dictatorship instead of a demorcratic process. So we have also built several bombs that we have placed
in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent. This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won't tell you all of them because that's just no fun. Since we know that you are not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it's necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families and themselves then We Will "get rid of" (in which I mean kill) you. Please understand that this does not include the heroic Rep. Senator that risked everything to go aganist what you and your goonies wanted him to do. We feel that it's worth our lives to do this, because we would be saving the lives of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. YOU WILL DIE!!!!


Misspellings and grammatical errors were left in, they are those of the toothless union thug that authored it.

Where is the civility that democrats kept longing for in the wake of Rep. Gifford's shooting? They claimed back then that all this violent rhetoric came from the Tea Party!


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Re: Wisconsin Senate passes bill removing collec...
By: JnJ
Mar 10, 2011 - 12:57 pm
What's the question Leslie won't answer?


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Re: Wisconsin Senate passes bill removing collec...
By: bigluke23
Mar 10, 2011 - 01:06 pm
leslie110 writes:
If the stipping of collective bargaining is a financial issue than they can't vote on it, even as a stand alone bill.



It's not a direct bill regarding outlays or revenues...it's similar to rules for using reconciliation in Congress. It will certainly have an effect future finances, but it does not directly have to do with raising or spending money, thus it is able to be voted on without a quorum.


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Re: Wisconsin Senate passes bill removing collec...
By: leslie110
Mar 10, 2011 - 01:09 pm
JnJ writes:
What's the question Leslie won't answer?



Is there one that I missed?


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Re: Wisconsin Senate passes bill removing collec...
By: leslie110
Mar 10, 2011 - 01:23 pm
AV8R writes:
leslie110 writes:
AV8R writes:
they couldn't get the fleebaggers home as long as this issue was on the table. Now it isn't.

God forbid teachers are rewarded or retained based on performance rather than seniority and tenure!



Will you answer my question? Is it a financial issue or not?



Yes it is. Sorry my answer wasn't clear, but the point I was making is they CAN'T VOTE on the financial issue without a quorum!

Now you answer my question: Is the financial aspect off the table now?



I don't see the financial impact at all...the Unions had agreed to the benefit and pension contibution portions already.


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Re: Wisconsin Senate passes bill removing collec...
By: bigluke23
Mar 10, 2011 - 01:25 pm
leslie110 writes:
AV8R writes:
leslie110 writes:
AV8R writes:
they couldn't get the fleebaggers home as long as this issue was on the table. Now it isn't.

God forbid teachers are rewarded or retained based on performance rather than seniority and tenure!



Will you answer my question? Is it a financial issue or not?



Yes it is. Sorry my answer wasn't clear, but the point I was making is they CAN'T VOTE on the financial issue without a quorum!

Now you answer my question: Is the financial aspect off the table now?



I don't see the financial impact at all...the Unions had agreed to the benefit and pension contibution portions already.



Allowing governments to re negotiate deals with unions gives them more power to close budget deficits.


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Re: Wisconsin Senate passes bill removing collec...
By: leslie110
Mar 10, 2011 - 01:29 pm
bigluke23 writes:
leslie110 writes:
AV8R writes:
leslie110 writes:
AV8R writes:
they couldn't get the fleebaggers home as long as this issue was on the table. Now it isn't.

God forbid teachers are rewarded or retained based on performance rather than seniority and tenure!



Will you answer my question? Is it a financial issue or not?



Yes it is. Sorry my answer wasn't clear, but the point I was making is they CAN'T VOTE on the financial issue without a quorum!

Now you answer my question: Is the financial aspect off the table now?



I don't see the financial impact at all...the Unions had agreed to the benefit and pension contibution portions already.



Allowing governments to re negotiate deals with unions gives them more power to close budget deficits.



Bull****! This is nothing but a Union busting, pure and simple. The Unions had already agreed to the increased contributions so there was no need to the ending of collective bargaining.


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Re: Wisconsin Senate passes bill removing collec...
By: bigluke23
Mar 10, 2011 - 01:33 pm
what's to say they won't use collective bargaining to reduce contributions next year or in the future?


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Re: Wisconsin Senate passes bill removing collec...
By: Pock
Mar 10, 2011 - 02:02 pm
I say we go back to slavery and end all this nonsense.


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Re: Wisconsin Senate passes bill removing collec...
By: leslie110
Mar 10, 2011 - 02:06 pm
Pock writes:
I say we go back to slavery and end all this nonsense.



Good idea!

I am not one of those people who thinks that you can't get ahead in this world, on the contrary, but I am getting sick of the rich asking everyone else to sacrifice while they just make more and more money and don't sacrifice anything.


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