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Re: Why won't Romney release more tax returns?
By: leslie110
Jul 19, 2012 - 11:18 am
Let's take a look at the Republicans who are suggesting that Romeny release his tax returns...



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Re: Why won't Romney release more tax returns?
By: Pock
Jul 19, 2012 - 11:57 am
We all know he is rich and part of the "Elite". What is he hiding? Maybe nothing. Maybe he is just stupid to cause all this drama for nothing, I suspect otherwise, I don't think Romney is stupid.... I think it was a calculated risk; something doesn't match from what he has said publicly and what he has actually done.

Frankly, We already have one guy in office that says One thing and does another. We don't need another that will do the same thing.


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Re: Why won't Romney release more tax returns?
By: JnJ
Jul 19, 2012 - 12:05 pm
@leslie110:

Many of the people in that video were Democrats or RINO's, and secondly, this is clearly a debate where reasonable people can disagree. I think he has been as transparent as he should be. Anything else he provides will simply be more fodder for Obama to use between now and election day to divert the conversation away from where it should rightfully be - the economy and his record. I'm sure you can find just as many or more people that would have exactly the opposite point of view as expressed in this video and I happen to be one of them.

I guess my other thought is what do you think he might be hiding?


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Re: Why won't Romney release more tax returns?
By: JnJ
Jul 19, 2012 - 12:08 pm
@Pock

"Maybe he is just stupid to cause all this drama for nothing,"

I don't hear of any drama whatsoever - I believe you see the drama only in your circles of people who would never vote for him even if he released 100 years of tax returns.

"Frankly, We already have one guy in office that says One thing and does another."

Yes, and I see you are trying your darndest to keep him there.

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Re: Why won't Romney release more tax returns?
By: leslie110
Jul 19, 2012 - 01:16 pm
@leslie110:

Many of the people in that video were Democrats or RINO's, and secondly, this is clearly a debate where reasonable people can disagree. I think he has been as transparent as he should be. Anything else he provides will simply be more fodder for Obama to use between now and election day to divert the conversation away from where it should rightfully be - the economy and his record. I'm sure you can find just as many or more people that would have exactly the opposite point of view as expressed in this video and I happen to be one of them.

I guess my other thought is what do you think he might be hiding?




@JnJ:

Bill Kristol is a RINO? Michael Steele, former head of the RNC is a RINO?


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Re: Why won't Romney release more tax returns?
By: leslie110
Jul 19, 2012 - 01:20 pm
@leslie110:

I guess my other thought is what do you think he might be hiding?




@JnJ:

I think he is hiding the fact that in some years he may have paid no income tax due to losses or that he pays a lower tax rate than most middle class people.


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Re: Why won't Romney release more tax returns?
By: Sterling
Jul 19, 2012 - 01:20 pm
Sterling says:
I encourage you to respond with a defense of Mr. Romney not releasing his tax forms without somehow referring to Obama.


JnJ says:
I just did. Quit hearing only what you want to hear Sterling. But for your review:
1. People don't care 2. It's a distraction away from the issues that matter 3. It's a needless waste of valuable time between now and election day detracting from the necessary discussion of the Obama record 4. They didn't demand McCain produce any more than two years which proves points 1,2 and 3.


You almost made it through three points without doing it, good job!

A point-by-point retort:
1) People do care. This thread isn't on its third page because people don't care. You may not care, but there are still plenty of Americans (a majority of Americans and almost of third of Republicans, actually) who think it's an issue.

2) The "issues that matter" are jobs, deficit/debt, and the economy. So somehow a presidential candidate's former career of outsourcing jobs and hurting the American economy and possibly paying no income taxes to help our national deficit/debt is not important? I would beg to differ, but once again, agree to disagree.

3) While it does distract from Obama's record on jobs and the economy, it also provides Mr. Romney a great forum to talk about what he's going to do differently to get people back to work and stimulate the economy. So far though, the campaign has been a bit light on the details, and the continued stonewalling is just making more and more people suspicious. It's clearly flustering the Romney team, so why wouldn't the Obama team take advantage? If Romney had Obama on the ropes, wouldn't you be rooting for Team Romney to do the same?

4) As @leslie110 astutely pointed out, McCain didn't need to release more than two years of tax records because he had plenty of financial disclosure from being a Senator.

But then again, I'm apparently only hearing what I want to hear, so feel free to totally ignore the above.

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Re: Why won't Romney release more tax returns?
By: Pock
Jul 19, 2012 - 01:36 pm
@JnJ:

I don't hear of any drama whatsoever



You don't?!? Because you've engaged in this thread that contains videos, articles, really illustrates very clearly the drama surrounding the issue. I'm a bit concerned, you not caring is one thing, but clearly you've heard the drama surrounding the issue.

I believe you see the drama only in your circles of people who would never vote for him even if he released 100 years of tax returns.



What do you know about my circle of people? But, you are correct. My circle of people are very conservative, and vote on issues; not party. I certainly can't speak for all the "people in my circle" whatever that means, but as things stand now, I couldn't cast a vote for Romney, I would never vote for Obama. I value honesty and integrity.

And lets, for a second be serious; if Romney released 12 years of returns, and Obama only released 2, the people (if I may) in your circle would be up in arms demanding their release. Now to be fair, I don't know the people in your circle, and frankly don't care to; but this fact surely you can accept, as it as been the policy of the Republican party to go after such information when it suits them.

Yes, and I see you are trying your darndest to keep him there.



I didn't put him there either; and certainly don't want another like him, taking his place. I'm not an Obama fan, but that doesn't mean I am blind.

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Re: Why won't Romney release more tax returns?
By: Pock
Jul 19, 2012 - 02:00 pm
Poll: Most say Romney should release additional tax returns

WASHINGTON – A majority of Americans, including almost a third of Republicans, say GOP presidential contender Mitt Romney should release more tax returns than the two years he has promised to disclose, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds.

www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-07-19/romney-gallup-poll-tax-returns/56333412/1?csp=34news

I think a majority of Americans are inherently opposed to secrecy. We've become accustom to having this information about the people seeking this highest office, and I think regardless of party; such information should be provided.


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Just realized Sterling posted that link. WhoOps.

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Re: Why won't Romney release more tax returns?
By: JnJ
Jul 19, 2012 - 02:01 pm
@leslie110:

Many of the people in that video were Democrats or RINO's, and secondly, this is clearly a debate where reasonable people can disagree. I think he has been as transparent as he should be. Anything else he provides will simply be more fodder for Obama to use between now and election day to divert the conversation away from where it should rightfully be - the economy and his record. I'm sure you can find just as many or more people that would have exactly the opposite point of view as expressed in this video and I happen to be one of them.

I guess my other thought is what do you think he might be hiding?




@JnJ:

Bill Kristol is a RINO? Michael Steele, former head of the RNC is a RINO?




@leslie110:

I said "Many" I didn't say Kristol and Steele specifically, although sometimes I wonder about Steele hehhehe.



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Re: Why won't Romney release more tax returns?
By: JnJ
Jul 19, 2012 - 02:30 pm
Sterling - there is zero evidence that Mitt Romney shipped jobs overseas, and in fact the Washington Post and factcheck.org basically called those claims "bunk".

On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence that money paid by American taxpayers via stimulus funds did in fact pay foreign workers.

I stand by this being a non-issue - and the lack of change in the polls despite the multi-million dollar Obama ad blitz backs that up. I respect your right to disagree.

Voters will have on their minds on election day their own personal circumstances, and not Mitt Romney's tax returns or drassage horse.

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Re: Why won't Romney release more tax returns?
By: JnJ
Jul 19, 2012 - 02:36 pm
Oh yeah one more thing, regarding the link to the poll of people who said he should release more tax returns, so what? THe question to have any relevance needs to be, "If he doesn't release more tax returns, would you then not vote for him?" If you find that poll, I'll open it.


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Re: Why won't Romney release more tax returns?
By: lanestar7
Jul 19, 2012 - 02:41 pm
Most of the "people in my circle" believe the reason he won't release them is directly tied to his involvment in Bain and could possibly lead to him being charged with a felony. This would also explain why his own party wants to see them too, so they can decide now if they need another candidate.

I can't believe that ANYONE actually likes Romney and aren't just supporting him because he's the anti-Obama. The guy is a total tool.

Also, this story isn't going away and it is a big deal because it's been in the news for at least 2 weeks and a Google search for "Romney tax return" gives you 152 million hits. All the major news outlets are running polls and interviewing people. But it's possible a person may not know that if they only watch Faux News. I'm sure it's never mentioned over there on Unfair and Imbalanced.


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Re: Why won't Romney release more tax returns?
By: Pock
Jul 19, 2012 - 03:22 pm
A critical competency of leadership is trust. Romney needs to show the American people he can lead this country. Without Trust; It isn't possible and we'd trade mess for another.


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Re: Why won't Romney release more tax returns?
By: Sterling
Jul 20, 2012 - 10:29 am
JnJ says:
Sterling - there is zero evidence that Mitt Romney shipped jobs overseas, and in fact the Washington Post and factcheck.org basically called those claims "bunk".

On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence that money paid by American taxpayers via stimulus funds did in fact pay foreign workers.

I stand by this being a non-issue - and the lack of change in the polls despite the multi-million dollar Obama ad blitz backs that up. I respect your right to disagree.

Voters will have on their minds on election day their own personal circumstances, and not Mitt Romney's tax returns or drassage horse.


I agree, as of right now, there is zero hard evidence that Mitt Romney personally shipped jobs overseas. However, there's plenty of evidence of Bain Capital shipping jobs overseas from 1999-2002 (actually, 1999-today), and there's (disputed) evidence of Mitt Romney remaining CEO/president/whatever of Bain during that time period based on SEC filings. We don't know the extent (if any) of his involvement with Bain in that time period, which I think is what many think the tax returns can help clear up. So yes, there's "zero evidence" right now, but we might not have all the evidence yet.

While I have no doubt that some stimulus dollars trickled out of this country, it's not for lack of oversight. In fact, there's a Chicago suburb who is going to have to surrender $10mil in stimulus funds for not complying with the "Buy American" provisions of the stimulus act. The "Buy American" Act itself has a loophole in that funding can be used if no domestically-produced alternatives exist... which happens more than it should.

While I disagree that it's a non-issue and I think the polls have changed (unless most Americans have always wanted Romney to release more tax returns?), I do agree that it won't be as big of an issue by election day. It's mid-July now, and I doubt many of us will be discussing this topic in late October.

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