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Re: What has God done for you?
By: froggy
May 15, 2012 - 09:49 pm
Seal writes:
So basically you are saying its good that kids suffer because your "God" has decided that is how "good" things happen.

I kind, and loving "God", or person for that matter, wouldn't want a child to suffer needlessly. The people that do want to see this, well they are generally serial killers.



Um no...God allows suffering to happen to all, not just children. Suffering exists because God doesn't intervene in everything here on earth. He is a loving God and if you're a good parent you'll know that the consequences of our kids' bad choices teach them more than having us intervene or try to save them from themselves. Just ask Hipkat how much suffering he had to do to get to this part of his life and what he learned from all that pain.

Suffering also happens because evil exists. Evil exists because we have free will to choose to follow God or not. We give Satan power over our lives based on how we choose to live them. If we didnt have free will then there would be no need for evil.

Some suffering happens that *we* have no answers for but we don't see the big picture or God's plan but I trust Him way more than I trust my own.


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Re: What has God done for you?
By: HipKat
May 16, 2012 - 06:57 am
7 I will tell of the kindnesses of the Lord,
the deeds for which he is to be praised,
according to all the Lord has done for us—
yes, the many good things
he has done for Israel,
according to his compassion and many kindnesses.
8 He said, “Surely they are my people,
children who will be true to me”;
and so he became their Savior.
9 In all their distress he too was distressed,
and the angel of his presence saved them.
In his love and mercy he redeemed them;
he lifted them up and carried them
all the days of old.

Isaiah 63:7-9


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Re: What has God done for you?
By: tapeworm
May 16, 2012 - 11:07 am
froggy writes:
Evil exists because we have free will to choose to follow God or not. We give Satan power over our lives based on how we choose to live them. If we didnt have free will then there would be no need for evil.


Do you think that a world where we didn't have free will and no evil existed, would be a better world?


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Re: What has God done for you?
By: froggy
May 16, 2012 - 09:27 pm
No. Having no free will would make us all robots. Dealing with evil helps us grow spiritually.


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Re: What has God done for you?
May 16, 2012 - 11:00 pm
I like this form because people have different thoughts. True no one knows what is going to happen and when it is going to happen. I like it cause i can here what people think and i dont have to knock on there doors. From day to day I see things that are bad and I see things that are good. I have know idea what makes them do either. Some time I question God for things and wonder way. But again I wake up the next day and go on. People are the problem some are wicked some are good. When you take people way from the earth its beautiful. There has allways been people in this world starting with a few to now many. When you put people together there is problem when there are few they come together. Sure I have question religion and the way of its thinking and I have searched for answers. I have also seen people sick from children to adults some I have wondered what did they do to receive this on there plate. I have had friend die and family also I have wondered why them. When you see some one evil in the world you think that could of been them and no one would of cared. I have found that the answers are not allways there and I can live with that. Im just thankful that God has given me this wonderful life sure its not allways a bed of roses but its some thing that is mine. People have different veiws on things and thats the wonderful thing about life I am glad we dont all think alike it would be a boring world. The thing is we all get dressed and we all do it different just like what we beleive we all think different so if I were to tell you how to get dressed wouldnt it be wrong the same goes for what we beleive.I try to open peoples eyes as God would want them to be knowledge is great and we find it only a few times in our life so enjoy it while you can.


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Re: What has God done for you?
By: Seal
May 19, 2012 - 07:49 am
froggy writes:
Seal writes:
So basically you are saying its good that kids suffer because your "God" has decided that is how "good" things happen.

I kind, and loving "God", or person for that matter, wouldn't want a child to suffer needlessly. The people that do want to see this, well they are generally serial killers.



Um no...God allows suffering to happen to all, not just children. Suffering exists because God doesn't intervene in everything here on earth. He is a loving God and if you're a good parent you'll know that the consequences of our kids' bad choices teach them more than having us intervene or try to save them from themselves. Just ask Hipkat how much suffering he had to do to get to this part of his life and what he learned from all that pain.

Suffering also happens because evil exists. Evil exists because we have free will to choose to follow God or not. We give Satan power over our lives based on how we choose to live them. If we didnt have free will then there would be no need for evil.

Some suffering happens that *we* have no answers for but we don't see the big picture or God's plan but I trust Him way more than I trust my own.



IF there is a Grand Plan, then YES your God chooses to allow children, who he calls innocent to suffer. This doesn't equate to a kind and loving God.

Yep, children born with cancer, or any other disease, definitely deserve a life a suffering and pain. Great loving and wise God you have there. Sounds very similar to what you refer to as Satan.

Ask Hipkat what? Lets see he got a new job he loved at the time, recently he is posting he hates it and wants a new job. His constant arguing with the Ex stopped for awhile, seems to have begun again. All this occurred after him trying to find a new job for what 4 years? It has NOTHING to do with him claiming to have found God, his new imaginary friend. It's all based on his attempts from before and coincidences with him attending your brainwashing clinic.

If you need something to believe in to make your life complete have at it, I don't need a crutch to feel that. I am just tired of hearing how Loving and Great your God is who condemns children to a life of pain and suffering.


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Re: What has God done for you?
By: Kevster
May 19, 2012 - 09:47 am
I'm SO GLAD you created yourself Seal. Now THAT is an accomplishment!


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Re: What has God done for you?
By: HipKat
May 19, 2012 - 09:48 am
I believe what Froggy is talking about is the severe depression I was suffering from, the new outlook on a purposeful life I have and everything that's come along with it


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Re: What has God done for you?
By: Seal
May 19, 2012 - 12:23 pm
Kevster writes:
I'm SO GLAD you created yourself Seal. Now THAT is an accomplishment!



I didn't create myself, that required my Mother and Father, not an imaginary friend.


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Re: What has God done for you?
By: Kevster
May 19, 2012 - 01:07 pm
Okay since you are talking nonsense like always, Please offer my congratulations to your mother and father for creating themselves, and of course we cannot forget their mother and father, and their mother and father, and their mother and father and their mother and fatherfor etc etc.

Can you ask your great great great great great grandfather what his secret is behind the human eye for me pleasee?
Im fascinated by it!


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Re: What has God done for you?
By: Seal
May 19, 2012 - 01:17 pm
Kevster writes:
Okay since you are talking nonsense like always, Please offer my congratulations to your mother and father for creating themselves, and of course we cannot forget their mother and father, and their mother and father, and their mother and father and their mother and fatherfor etc etc.

Can you ask your great great great great great grandfather what his secret is behind the human eye for me pleasee?
Im fascinated by it!




You are quite possibly the most obnoxious assinine Bible-beater I have ever had the misfortune of dealing with. I can understand fully how a person in a weakened condition, such as depression, could be brainwashed and swayed by you. I am just sorry to see a person like you has an effect on others, there was this guy named Jim Jones that I am sure had Nothing on your abilities.


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Re: What has God done for you?
By: Kevster
May 19, 2012 - 02:21 pm
Okay since you are talking nonsense like always, Please offer my congratulations to your mother and father for creating themselves, and of course we cannot forget their mother and father, and their mother and father, and their mother and father and their mother and fatherfor etc etc.

Can you ask your great great great great great grandfather what his secret is behind the human eye for me pleasee?
Im fascinated by it!


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Re: What has God done for you?
May 19, 2012 - 03:49 pm
Kevster
Thats good. I did get to know my grandmother for a few years she was full blooded indian she had tons of her fathers artifacts. By the way the state took them without contacting any one because she fell in the street and didnt have anyone there. At the time we lives in peoria and she lived in burlington. We went to see her and found this all out when we got to her house and some one else lived there. What an aawesome government we have. Her parents died fighting in war would of loved to have learned more I was 12 years old then.


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Re: What has God done for you?
By: themrs916
May 19, 2012 - 04:43 pm
imagine if all of us would listen or hear or even see what the other is saying.




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Re: What has God done for you?
By: Seal
May 19, 2012 - 04:54 pm
themrs916 writes:
imagine if all of us would listen or hear or even see what the other is saying.




It will never happen because the "believers" won't listen to another persons opinion with an open mind, all they say is "No, you are wrong".


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