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@bn13814:

Obviously, you don't know anything about trucking, because by deregulating the trucking, it opened the door to monopolies, lowered freight rates and the slow death of the independent owner/operator. As for those being the only good things, I agree; that peace treaty between Egypt and Israel was retarded.

Yes, we're all rich...

...compared to Ethiopians, et al, but we don't live in Ethiopia.

We don't have economic freedom, we DO have MORE regulations, on the people. It's the Wall Street bankers that have less regulations, since they spend millions on lobbying Washington to change laws that allow them to fleece every profitable dollar out of our pockets that they can. Lower tax rates have not done anything to help anyone but the uber rich, who have NOT created more jobs with that money.

Oh, and whose energy costs are going down?? Cause mine seem to be going up

meaningful regulation is necessary, IMO. But micromanaging with regulations can put a strangle-hold on small companies. I work in the financial industry, small company (15 employees) and with the Cost Basis Legisltation, written by pols no doubt, had the IT folks, Compliance folks, brokers, trade match platforms, service providers, all scrambling to implement the new rules... and it was no easy task. For 2 years it was a hot item at my industry conference I attend... everyone trying to get a handle on the problems that came about. Our scrambling had nothing to do with trying to hide anything, and everything to do with just figuring out HOW... and the costs to get that done HURT.

An industry left to do whatever they want for profit has shown they can't do the right thing...and has led to regulation. To say free market will take care of itself is very niave. Crap floats down river... like GE dumping crap into the Hudson....

@meanjarhead:

If you cloned Reagan, you'd have to wait 35 years to meet the minimum age requirement to be President.

The environmental disasters of the 1970s and 1980s I think serve as great counterpoints to the "glory days" of post-WWII unregulated industry. Do we really want to go back to the days when we have to worry about our rivers catching fire?

The only favors the "free market" provides when it sets wages is on the business owners' side of the equation. Our free market system is not a true "free market", because only economic profits and losses are taken into account. The losses to human capital, the environment, etc. are not considered at all by the invisible hand, which is why it's the government's responsibility to step in and make sure there are appropriate regulations in place to make sure businesses can still make a profit without poisoning the planet and reducing workers to the level of indentured servants.

Blaming environmental regulations for restricting industrial growth is one of the most selfish things our generation can do. We're effectively telling our grandchildren, "Sorry kids, the air you'll breathe and the water you'll drink isn't as important as making an extra $1 or $2 on every widget we make today."

If "having my cake and eating it too" means your business will make a little less profit because we're protecting our workers and preserving our environment, then so be it.

@Sterling:

That is called the light at the end of the tunnel.

@HipKat:

Not the point. I made sure people understood that Carter, not Reagan, deregulated trucking. And rising energy costs, as well more regulations on engine emissions, hours-of-service and rest periods are causing small trucking companies and owner-operators to bail, not deregulation. Ironically, a lot of drivers were hired by the railroads.

Wall Street has been over-regulated by Sarbanes-Oxley and Dodd-Frank. Each will cost business probably $1 trillion a year in compliance costs.

Tax cuts work every time they're tried. 1920s (Harding-Coolidge), 1960s (JFK-LBJ), 1980s (Reagan), 1990s (Clinton & GOP congress) and 2000's (Bush). But even sounds economic policy can't always withstand the crushing consequences of idiot government policy like pressuring banks to make subprime loans.

Energy prices are going up because the EPA is forcing numerous older coal-fired power plants to close prematurely.

The democrats and republicans are both guilty of riding the deregulation band wagon.

The difference now is that the democrats understand that some regulation is necessary to keep greed and corruption in check, and provide a better balance, and some fairness in the market.

There are people who have been without power for over a week in a triple digit temperatures. Prior to utility deregulation, utilities were required to do a perform a minimum amount of line clearing and distribution maintenance. I suspect that a better regulated utility market would not have these extended duration of power outages.


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@bn13814:

ok, well I was a truck driver for 15 years, and an owner operator for 3, so I know a little about this, ok, and no it's not emissions that killed the independents, it's the freight rates that never went up because of the monopolies that run 1000+ trucks, most contracted at extremely low rates. It was deregulation that made this happen. Yes, lower rates = lower costs to the consumer, but at what cost??

Also, the tax cuts have NOT spurred job growth, ok? We've hashed this point over and over in the last few years. Instead job growth and pay rates are also stagnant

And my mistake. Deregulation was in 1980 and I mistakenly thought Reagan was in office

Over the course of the last few years, it's the cost of Diesel, vs the stagnant freight rates

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Smart People.....this is good stuff.
Romney, ....scares me into so much fright sweat, that I get constipated.

It's my thought that since WW2,and The Truman Years,
we have pretty much ended up with heavily backed
handpuppets, of Corporate America, since the job
has ....term limits.

They spend a lot of money, putting in, their cattele.
in the House of Reps, and The Senatorial Clubhouse,
no term limits.

These assmonkeys, are the ones you really have to worry about They have ....no term limits.

Witness, Bob Michel,.....what did he ever do for you?
He was a Reagan Yes Man, and nearly killed Caterpillar,
in the process.

But he got a standard issue Interstate Overpass, turned into a bridge, named after him, that will probably only last 30 percent as long as The Franklin Street Birdge.
his namesake replaced. Which is about 30 years.

Who was Franklin Street?
He may have been the big brother, to Cedar.

Carry on, you Brave Campers!

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@HipKat:

so who exactly DID deregulate those things? Carter, or Reagan? There is a pretty substantial difference between them, and you've been saying it was Reagan for a couple of years on this board hip, but you did not refute the claim it was Carter.

Whassup?

Uhhh, Yes I did.

In the last post I made

was it carter or reagan? I'm not asking to start a war, I truly want to know. I always assumed it was Reagan as well, but if it's f'd up and Carter did it, THAT is something I want to know, and it certainly would be more in line with every other f'd up thing that buffoon did.

It's Carter. It was signed in May 1980