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Re: Trump For
By: rivermen1
May 11, 2011 - 03:21 pm
leslie110 writes:
Chef Kevin writes:
I think I should run for President on the "American Beer Drinkers" party ticket.



Will Sam Adams be your VP?



Would that make you for or against ethanol??


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Re: Trump For
May 11, 2011 - 03:23 pm
leslie110 writes:
Chef Kevin writes:
I think I should run for President on the "American Beer Drinkers" party ticket.



Will Sam Adams be your VP?



I think Jim Koch, maker of Sam Adams would be a good choice.


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Re: Trump For
By: leslie110
May 11, 2011 - 03:26 pm
JnJ writes:
Hello????? Didn't you just say this?

"I will happily find sources if you honestly don't know about the Republicans calling themselves the party of family values."

Maybe you were just joshing.



I wasn't joshing...from the official 2004 Republican Platform.

We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.



http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2004_GOP_Platform


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Re: Trump For
By: rivermen1
May 11, 2011 - 03:27 pm
leslie110 writes:
JnJ writes:
Hello????? Didn't you just say this?

"I will happily find sources if you honestly don't know about the Republicans calling themselves the party of family values."

Maybe you were just joshing.



I wasn't joshing...from the official 2004 Republican Platform.

We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.



http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2004_GOP_Platform



GOP against abortion- THAT IS NEWS_ WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN????


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Re: Trump For
By: leslie110
May 11, 2011 - 03:28 pm
rivermen1 writes:
leslie110 writes:
JnJ writes:
Hello????? Didn't you just say this?

"I will happily find sources if you honestly don't know about the Republicans calling themselves the party of family values."

Maybe you were just joshing.



I wasn't joshing...from the official 2004 Republican Platform.

We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.



http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2004_GOP_Platform



GOP against abortion- THAT IS NEWS_ WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN????



If you can't keep up I think you should stop participating...


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Re: Trump For
May 11, 2011 - 03:30 pm
leslie110 writes:
rivermen1 writes:
leslie110 writes:
JnJ writes:
Hello????? Didn't you just say this?

"I will happily find sources if you honestly don't know about the Republicans calling themselves the party of family values."

Maybe you were just joshing.



I wasn't joshing...from the official 2004 Republican Platform.

We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.



http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2004_GOP_Platform



GOP against abortion- THAT IS NEWS_ WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN????



If you can't keep up I think you should stop participating...





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Re: Trump For
By: leslie110
May 11, 2011 - 11:30 pm
leslie110 writes:
JnJ writes:
Hello????? Didn't you just say this?

"I will happily find sources if you honestly don't know about the Republicans calling themselves the party of family values."

Maybe you were just joshing.



I wasn't joshing...from the official 2004 Republican Platform.

We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.



http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2004_GOP_Platform



jnj...did you see this???


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Re: Trump For
By: rivermen1
May 12, 2011 - 06:32 am
leslie110 writes:
leslie110 writes:
JnJ writes:
Hello????? Didn't you just say this?

"I will happily find sources if you honestly don't know about the Republicans calling themselves the party of family values."

Maybe you were just joshing.



I wasn't joshing...from the official 2004 Republican Platform.

We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.



http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2004_GOP_Platform



jnj...did you see this???



THIS IS NOT NEWS- THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST ABORTION. So why would they support judges that are for abortion rights- that is like Democrats supporting a judge that is anti-abortion. That wouldn't make much sense/


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Re: Trump For
By: HipKat
May 12, 2011 - 06:56 am
Call me crazy, but...

I think the focus is on "traditional family values" as to match the topic here....



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Re: Trump For
By: rivermen1
May 12, 2011 - 07:31 am
Both parties have people that cheat on thier spouses- The democratic party had no problems with clinton for cheating on his wife in the white house- but are now going to attack newt.
This is in the 1992 democratic platform:
Children should not have children

1992 democratic platform:
Strengthening The Family
Governments don't raise children, people do. People who bring children into this world have a responsibility to care for them and give them values, motivation and discipline. Children should not have children. We need a national crackdown on deadbeat parents, an effective system of child support enforcement nationwide, and a systematic effort to establish paternity for every child. We must also make it easier for parents to build strong families through pay equity. Family and medical leave will ensure that workers don't have to choose between family and work. We support a family preservation program to reduce child and spousal abuse by providing preventive services and foster care to families in crisis. We favor ensuring quality and affordable child care opportunities for working parents, and a fair and healthy start for every child, including essential pre-natal and well baby care. We support the needs of our senior citizens for productive and healthy lives, including hunger prevention, income



Read more at the American Presidency Project: www.presidency.ucsb.edu http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=2961


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Re: Trump For
By: rivermen1
May 12, 2011 - 07:33 am
1996 platform
Putting families first. The first and most sacred responsibility of every parent is to cherish our children and strengthen our families. The family is the foundation of American life. After 12 years of all family-values-talk and no family-values-action by the Republicans, President Clinton took office determined to put families first. We support the fundamental themes of the Families First Agenda -- promoting paycheck, health care, retirement, and personal security; creating greater educational and economic opportunity; and requiring greater responsibility from individuals, businesses, and government
http://www.perkel.com/congress/platform.htm


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Re: Trump For
By: JnJ
May 12, 2011 - 09:10 am
Thanks for saving me the trouble, Rivermen.

I refuse to debate this topic further because it would be as productive as debating someone who insists the world is flat.

NO ONE PARTY corners the market on family values, as we are all imperfect human beings. And Leslie's implication that Republicans should be held to a higher standard than Democrats, or that Republicans participating in an immoral act is hypocritical but not a Democrat, is absurd.


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Re: Trump For
By: leslie110
May 12, 2011 - 09:18 am
JnJ writes:
Thanks for saving me the trouble, Rivermen.

NO ONE PARTY corners the market on family values, as we are all imperfect human beings. And Leslie's implication that Republicans should be held to a higher standard than Democrats, or that Republicans participating in an immoral act is hypocritical but not a Democrat, is absurd.



I never said anything to that effect...in fact I said that no one party is morally superior to the other.

I just want to confirm, though, that you are denying that the Republican party claims to be the party of family values.


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Re: Trump For
By: rivermen1
May 12, 2011 - 10:27 am
No if you read the Democratic parties platform

Empowering Families for a New Era

Children and Families
If we are to renew America, we must do a better job of investing in the next generation of Americans. For parents, the first and most sacred responsibility is to support our children: setting an example of excellence, turning off the TV, and helping with the homework. But we must also support parents as they strive to raise their children in a new era. We must make it easier for working parents to spend time with their families when they need to. We will make an unprecedented national investment to guarantee that every child has access to high-quality early education, including investments in Pre-K, Head Start, and Early Head Start, and we will help pay for child care. We will ensure that every child has health insurance, invest in playgrounds to promote healthy and active lifestyles, and protect children from lead poisoning in their homes and toys. Improving maternal health also improves children's health, so we will provide access to home visits by medical professionals to low-income expectant first-time mothers. We must protect our most vulnerable children, by supporting and supplementing our struggling foster care system, enhancing adoption programs for all caring parents, and protecting children from violence and neglect. Online and on TV, we will give parents tools to block content they find objectionable. We also must recognize that caring for family members and managing a household is real and valuable work.

Fatherhood

Too many fathers are missing–missing from too many lives and too many homes. Children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and are more likely to commit crime, drop out of school, abuse drugs, and end up in prison. We need more fathers to realize that responsibility does not end at conception. We need them to understand that what makes a man is not the ability to have a child–it's the courage to raise one. We will support fathers by providing transitional training to get jobs, removing tax penalties on married families, and expanding maternity and paternity leave. We will reward those who are responsibly supporting their children by giving them a tax credit



Read more at the American Presidency Project: www.presidency.ucsb.edu http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=7828


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Re: Trump For
By: leslie110
May 12, 2011 - 10:32 am
rivermen1 writes:
No if you read the Democratic parties platform

Empowering Families for a New Era

Children and Families
If we are to renew America, we must do a better job of investing in the next generation of Americans. For parents, the first and most sacred responsibility is to support our children: setting an example of excellence, turning off the TV, and helping with the homework. But we must also support parents as they strive to raise their children in a new era. We must make it easier for working parents to spend time with their families when they need to. We will make an unprecedented national investment to guarantee that every child has access to high-quality early education, including investments in Pre-K, Head Start, and Early Head Start, and we will help pay for child care. We will ensure that every child has health insurance, invest in playgrounds to promote healthy and active lifestyles, and protect children from lead poisoning in their homes and toys. Improving maternal health also improves children's health, so we will provide access to home visits by medical professionals to low-income expectant first-time mothers. We must protect our most vulnerable children, by supporting and supplementing our struggling foster care system, enhancing adoption programs for all caring parents, and protecting children from violence and neglect. Online and on TV, we will give parents tools to block content they find objectionable. We also must recognize that caring for family members and managing a household is real and valuable work.

Fatherhood

Too many fathers are missing–missing from too many lives and too many homes. Children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and are more likely to commit crime, drop out of school, abuse drugs, and end up in prison. We need more fathers to realize that responsibility does not end at conception. We need them to understand that what makes a man is not the ability to have a child–it's the courage to raise one. We will support fathers by providing transitional training to get jobs, removing tax penalties on married families, and expanding maternity and paternity leave. We will reward those who are responsibly supporting their children by giving them a tax credit



Read more at the American Presidency Project: www.presidency.ucsb.edu http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=7828



Do you even know what jnj and I are talking about? I am guessing not.


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