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Re: Rebellion against God
By: Seal
Jun 18, 2012 - 05:41 pm
joepyeweed writes:
Hip chooses the generic brand. All the good basic stuff without the fancy brands.



According to Hip, there is no generic brand..Read his posts, he is clear they are all the same. No varieites.


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Re: Rebellion against God
By: HipKat
Jun 18, 2012 - 07:04 pm
Seal writes:
HipKat writes:
Misinformed much?



No but you are, do some research on the number of different versions of the Bible. Then do some research on the different beliefs within the Christian religion.

When you have completed that exercise, let me know what flavor you prefer.




I've already done that and I've already explained that no matter what the "fancy trimmings" are, the underlying philosophy is the same. Accept Jesus as saviour, love God, love people


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Re: Rebellion against God
By: Seal
Jun 19, 2012 - 03:47 am
HipKat writes:
Seal writes:
HipKat writes:
Misinformed much?



No but you are, do some research on the number of different versions of the Bible. Then do some research on the different beliefs within the Christian religion.

When you have completed that exercise, let me know what flavor you prefer.




I've already done that and I've already explained that no matter what the "fancy trimmings" are, the underlying philosophy is the same. Accept Jesus as saviour, love God, love people



Not true, some don't believe Jesus is anything more then a Prophet.


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Re: Rebellion against God
By: HipKat
Jun 19, 2012 - 05:59 am
Well, those wouldn't be Christians, then, would they?? And it IS Christianity we're talking about, right?


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Re: Rebellion against God
By: Seal
Jun 19, 2012 - 07:24 pm
HipKat writes:
Well, those wouldn't be Christians, then, would they?? And it IS Christianity we're talking about, right?



Are you going to stick to that or are you going to do some research on Christianity and its MANY flavors before you make that your final answer?


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Re: Rebellion against God
By: HipKat
Jun 19, 2012 - 07:45 pm
OMG! Do you completely lack reading comprehension?

Let me say this as clear as I possibly can; It doesn't matter if is Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant, Baptist, or any other religion that identifies itself as being part of the Christian Faith. They ALL have different ways of interpreting the Bible, as does about every single person that reads it. HENCE, the reason Christianity is considered a personal relationship with God; because everyone who studies the bible, whether in a minute way or a profoundly BIG way are going to get a different message out of it, dependant on where they are in their faith, what's happening in their lives, their past.....

BUT, the bottom line is, for the last time, no matter what religion it is that identifies itself as part of the Christian faith, it all comes down to the same thing; Obey God. Accept Jesus as savior and study the Bible. ANY Bible, as long as it's a version you can identify with, because they all preach the same message.

Or, if that's just too complex for you, Rocky Road, Butter Pecan and Neapolitan are all different flavors, but they're still ice cream


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Re: Rebellion against God
Jun 19, 2012 - 08:09 pm
Thats were alot of people go wrong there own understanding of the Bible. Jehovahs people all look at it in a simple way we all study and we all have the same veiw on it ask any witness they will tell you. Any one can understand in there own words but its Gods words we need to understand.///////////////(Proverbs 3:4, 5) . . .. 5 Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding.
////////////////(Daniel 12:10) 10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly, and no wicked ones at all will understand; but the ones having insight will understand.


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Re: Rebellion against God
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Re: Rebellion against God
By: HipKat
Jul 15, 2012 - 12:52 pm
Fortunately God came to Earth as Jesus Christ and renewed God's covenant with man so that those things referred to in the Old Testament are not applicable any more.

Your asking us a question about a few sentences that Obama makes, when you obviously haven't read the whole speech. That reeks of insincerity. You obviously don't want to know what he meant, because it might challenge your own belief systems - if you wanted to know what he meant, you would have heard the whole speech.

Instead you clip out a portion that you want to smear Obama with. Although Obama appears to mention Deutronomy and Leviticus negatively, he does not do so with the 'Sermon on the Mont' both he and the reader of the link simply lies and makes up the fact that 'Obama mocks 'the Sermon on the Mount'', when he fact he speaks of it positively.

Earthlings are so funny. That Mr. Obama man was asking which parts of the Bible that conflict with each other and with the way we live our lives today should all humans pick and choose to follow.

One of the Bible passages he mentioned says that children should be stoned to death for straying from the faith. If you make fun of this human now for saying only what is already said in your Bible then are you making fun of the Bible? Are your criticizing your own Bible?

Then Mr. Obama mentions the Sermon on the Mount. We know of this sermon which is a good message. Mr. Obama man said if your Earth followed it, it would put the Department of Defense out of business.

You think he was mistaken?

He wasn't mocking the Bible. He was trying to show people that we cannot live our lives EXACTLY like the Bible is written. We have evolved, and this video is pure propaganda and one sided and people like you are being spoon fed this BS on a daily basis and believe things not how they are intended. People that are smart get it.

From http://www.truthorfiction.com:

This eRumor is based on a video of a speech made by Senator Barack Obama in June 28, 2006. He was the keynote speaker at an the "Building a Covenant for A New America" conference sponsored by a group called the Call to Renewal.

It was one of Obama's more religiously-based speeches that talked about the tensions that exist in a country of secular laws but religious passions. He argued that "secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square." He called for a "reconciliation between faith and democratic pluralism" and called on those with narrow religious views to translate those into broader common values that can guide public policy.
As an example, he said, "And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles."

This statement caused controversy among Evangelical Christians because it seemed as though Obama was being cynical about what could appear to be confecting statements in scripture.

Obama's supporters say, however, that he was not making fun of those scriptures but merely using them to illustrate the point of his speech, which was to point out the complexity of holding religious values in high regard but trying to reconcile them with public policy.

Here is the COMPLETE Speech:



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Re: Rebellion against God
By: blbryant
Oct 19, 2012 - 07:43 pm
An Orthodox Christian perspective on Original Sin - also with contrasts to modern western ideas on the same:

http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/frjr_sin.aspx

Subdeacon Benjamin
http://orthodoxpeoria.org

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