Rebellion against God on the Peoria.com Forums

I just read an interesting article that points out some good questions. In particular, why did Satan rebel against God? The bible doesn't really tell us, which is something I'd certainly like to know (heaven being such a perfect place and all).

Also, if the first sin was picking a fruit from the tree of knowledge, then Adam and Eve's actions were completely innocent prior to doing so and they couldn't have possibly known the ramifications. Why such a harsh punishment?

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The first question is a great one. I'd like to know that too.

AS for Adam and Eve, they did know the ramifications. God told them that if they ate of the tree, they would surely die.

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Genesis 2:17

When they ate the apple they opened up emotions that they had never known; fear, which became guilt, which became shame...

Ironically, as it goes onto say that they covered themselves with fig leave, in the Hebrew religion, a fig leaf is symbolic of religion, so the story is that they covered themselves with religion (Hence the point made that the Bible is full of parables, philosophies and symbolism)

so they understood death, and the ramifications of it, but didn't know fear or guilt? that still makes their actions innocent until after the fact.

Of course they were innocent until after the fact, but they did know the ramifications; death. Again, if you move away from the literal translation of death, isn't a life consumed by fear, guilt and shame like death??

I still enjoy the irony of how man, once consumed by fear, guilt and shame covered themselves with religion

i was being ironical. the threat of death to someone who doesn't know fear or have guilt couldn't possibly understand the ramifications of their actions.

"so you're telling me eating the fruit is bad? okay.. what's bad? i don't know because the world is free of sin and pain and all bad things.. NOM NOM NOM ohhhhh sh** now i get it"

Great way for a just and loving God to want to see his "creations" live.

That's not how he wanted to see things go, but he did give man free will and the temptation of the apple was strong enough for man to exercise that free will and choose to go against God's instructions

I'm pretty sure that's exactly how He wanted things to go, if the story of Genesis is true. If God didn't want Adam and Eve to be tempted, He wouldn't have created the apple in the first place.

Remember God has a plan for everybody, your religion NOT mine.

Tapeworm Satan wanted what only God had. He was to watch over them and as he seen that they love God he want this to he wanted people to come to him. But mankind cant live without God as you can see.

are you saying the angels were also given free will? and that Satan along with 1/3rd of the angels chose to leave such a wonderful place because of jealousy? and if jealousy exists in heaven wouldn't that imply that it isn't all it's cracked up to be?

There is a story about why Satan rebelled.


The story of Adam and Eve isn't an actual event. The story of being cast out of a garden of eden for disobedience is a folk story of an ancient people's attempt to answer some of the philosophical questions of life. Read on in the chapter... it provides simply answers to questions like Why is living hard work? Why is child bearing so painful? Why do we die? Why do snakes have no legs?

The fact of it all is we cant live without God. Dont know what Heaven is like and dont care to find out. I love life here it might not be the best all of the time but i like living. God created all things wonderful in there own ways they choose to do wrong. Life isnt hard we make it hard look people can live very simple lives. They choose to have more or better that brings hard times up on them. I remember a story about a sister that pray to God for a car so she could go to the meetings at the Kingdom hall. So another sister move in next door to her and would go over the night before and ask her if she wanted a ride to the hall she did for several weeks. Later she stop coming to the hall all together she thought God forgot about her prayer all together. Several years later she moved to a house two blocks from a Kingdom hall and on of the witness aproched her one day and invited her to the hall again she went and is still going to this day. In her words she said that she thought God had left her and she was lost but she only undersood what she had ask for was away to the hall and she over looked the blessings that she was given. Later she said God was allways there and provided what she needed in life she road the bus to work and now she could walk to the meetings she has been a witness for 30 years now. Her words later the time i was away was her own falt she thought that a car would make it easyer for her to do things and when she finally realized she had all of the things she need in life any way. Theres more to it but she was happy living a simple life even though she wanted more she didnt need it.

God doesn't always provide what we need. There are people who literally starve to death. Many of them have prayed prayer upon prayer, but ended up starving to death anyway.

Guess the old saying God answers prayers isn't quite true is it.

An old joke that seems applicable:

The question as to whether or not God answers prayers will always be up for debate. However, if He does, we need to remember that they might not be answered in the ways we were expecting.