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It is your right to believe what you want to believe. I am sorry if my beliefs offended you. yours don't offend me.

if you can love the atheist but hate the sin, then i can love the believer and hate the belief.

if i don't offend you, then the comment is obviously not directed at you, in which case you shouldn't have felt inclined to respond.

Why are you always so sullen?

@tapeworm:

I just wanted you to know that there was a Christian who respected your beiliefs there was no reason to be a douche to me.

Its easier for me to understand agnostics that to understand atheism. Atheism requires as much faith as Christianity.

Though I don't care what people believe as long as they don't try to push it on others or judge others for what they believe.

Any "Christian" who claims they don't care what others believe is full of it. Your faith requires you to care. Just more semantical / philosophical b.s. because you refuse to see it any other way.

Am I always sullen? Or is this just another "there is a hole in your heart that only Jesus can fill" pitch in the making.

Agnostic is just a stepping stone to atheism, once you realize they're the exact same thing and that neither one claims to know one way or the other. Saying atheism requires faith, faith in what? Science? Reason? Faith in others as well as yourself? Sure as hell not faith in an invisible man.

Agnostics rely on logic and reason to reach a conclusion. Agnostic is not a stepping stone to either religion or atheism.

Because one cannot prove that there is no god, one needs faith to be sure that there isn't.

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Yes, you're usually pretty sullen and yes, we want you to know Christ because we care about what the hell happens to people and how they live their lives, although I'd be hard pressed to find any time I've ever pushed what I believe on anyone that wasn't willing to to hear what I have to say

@joepyeweed:

And atheists rely on what?

do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? first of all if you cannot prove it then you cannot be sure; you don't need faith to be sure, because you're not sure. second, you don't have faith in an absense of something.

i don't know where you're getting your information but it's pretty warped.

@hipkat

There are good Christians who practice what they preach, just as there are a lot of bad ones who are intolerant of others. There are also atheists who are good and intelligent people and then there are bad ones. The point is ethics / morality and belief in religion are completely independent of each other and that anyone can be a decent person. So I say again, if you can love the atheist but hate the sin, then I can love the Christian but hate the belief.

That isn't being sullen at all.

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To be sure that god doesn't exist is to be sure of something that cannot be proven.

Agnostics are perfectly logical. Atheists are faithful.

@joepyeweed:

Atheists aren't anymore certain as to whether or not god exists than agnostics.

An atheist would say "I don't believe god exists, but I can't say with absolute certainty"

An agnostic would say either "I don't believe god exists" OR "I believe god exists" + "but I can't say with absolute certainty"

In other words, atheists and agnostics are exactly the same with the exception that agnostics are slightly more philosophical. I think atheists clearly win the "logical" argument here.

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The difference is - atheists aren't taught to enroll as many atheist soldiers as possible.

@tapeworm:

Your definition of agnostic and atheist is wrong.

Agnostics do not know if god exists. Atheists believe that there is no god. Its a prime example of the difference between logic and faith.


From Websters Dictionary:

Note the use of the word believe in the definition of atheist.







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@joepyeweed:
All hail the all knowing joepyeweed . How dare you not agree with her. She will now release her knowledge of made up internet stats on you so she fells better.

Truth is, to put it in layman's terms agnostics are more prone to believe that there's probably something out there, something that can't be readily defined or completely understood.

Atheists believe, this is it. When you die, you just die and it's all over.

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