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Conrad...did they go over there? What did they do when they heard the ace ambulance come..5-6 police cars...be interested in this I have talked to a lot of 'witnesses' be interested what they told you. Historian

Apr 27, 2010 - 10:15 am
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Does Bernie's 'ranch' still exist in any form?

Apr 27, 2010 - 10:15 am
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Ah the ace ambulance now you have jogged my memory. I remember it well, no calling 911 or medics, it was a big thing. Also Drs made house calls. I remember when I was 5 yrs old and very sick old doc Bianco came to the house and told mom I had the German Measles and gave her some pills for me to take.

Apr 27, 2010 - 10:28 am
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Conrad...did they go over there? What did they do when they heard the ace ambulance come..5-6 police cars...be interested in this I have talked to a lot of 'witnesses' be interested what they told you. Historian



My dad was 10 at the time. My uncle was 12. They were playing ball in the field at the time of the shooting. The story was they heard the shot, but thought it was a car or bus backfire. They were oblivious to what had actually occurred. They went on with what they were doing and headed home. They learned of the shooting that evening. My dad passed away in 2004 I did discuss this with my uncle last year and he reiterated the tale as it had been told to me by my dad.


Apr 27, 2010 - 10:48 am
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Absolutely I was in in 2 times and a very long tour when it was up for sale ..Don't know the exact address...but just before u get to Norwood out Farmingon road on left Shelton Lane' the front has been changed but it is still there..he raised prize cattle at one time...Loved horses and kept one out at Purtcher's stable named Major... Historian

Apr 27, 2010 - 01:04 pm
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Doncha' just love old memories...that's what really got me writing wy back in 1980....Historian

Apr 27, 2010 - 01:07 pm
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Thanks Conrad...in the last 30 years I have interviews 230 plus people with tales to tell...The problem with so many is there is a red line of truth in most of them...but being a true crime writer I had to really have the truth...but it sure was fun...thanks Historian

Apr 27, 2010 - 01:11 pm
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I can tell you in Southern Illinois, the Sheltons WERE big stuff. My family farm is in Williamson County, refered to as Bloody Williamson, because of the Birgers and the Sheltons, and their little "gang" wars. The only aerial bombing in the continental U.S. happened down there, when one of the gangs flew over the "clubhouse" of the other gang, and threw a bundle of dynamite out of the plane, blowing up the establishment.
My Grandfather used to say that folks wouldn't spit on the sidewalk, out of fear of the Shelton Brothers. About a half mile from the family farm was an old wooded lot, where my father and other relatives said you could hear guys shooting Tommy guns. There were also lots of coal mine riots down there. Williamson earned the nickname, "Bloody."

Apr 27, 2010 - 07:15 pm
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Historian writes:
Absolutely I was in in 2 times and a very long tour when it was up for sale ..Don't know the exact address...but just before u get to Norwood out Farmingon road on left Shelton Lane' the front has been changed but it is still there..he raised prize cattle at one time...Loved horses and kept one out at Purtcher's stable named Major... Historian



I grew up on Farmington Rd. between Norwood and Shelton Lane. We used to ride our bicycles down the lane.
There was another house out there next to the old Shady Oaks restaurant that had an enormous pool in the back yard and a full size basketball court/gym in the ATTIC of the barn. It also had a boxing ring and equipment in the barn. It was rumoured that some of the "strong arm" men used the gym, pool and boxing gear to work out and stay in shape. The house and barn were torn down years ago. I toured the house shortly before it was destroyed. Wish I could verify those stories.
Historian, do you know anything about that?


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refered to as Bloody Williamson, because of the Birgers and the Sheltons, and their little "gang" wars.



Great book by the same title.


Apr 27, 2010 - 07:57 pm
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shifty writes:
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refered to as Bloody Williamson, because of the Birgers and the Sheltons, and their little "gang" wars.



Great book by the same title.



Indeed, I'm actually a little shocked to find someone else that's read it. It's not like it was a best seller.


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StrayCat writes:
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refered to as Bloody Williamson, because of the Birgers and the Sheltons, and their little "gang" wars.



Great book by the same title.



Indeed, I'm actually a little shocked to find someone else that's read it. It's not like it was a best seller.



I heard about the Sheltons and Birgers when I went to SIU Carbondale, just a few short miles from lovely Herrin.


Apr 27, 2010 - 09:52 pm
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I spent a lot of time down there on the farm. It's all grown up and covered in trees now. I have 80 acres there.
Herrin is nice. Carbondale isn't bad. I used to do full contact tournaments there in the late 80's early 90's. I love to hike and camp in the Shawnee forest, too.

Apr 27, 2010 - 11:00 pm
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Yeah, I'd love to go back someday. We spent quite a bit of time "hiking" in the Garden of the Gods. The Shawnee is a pretty amazing piece of Illinois that most people aren't aware of.

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Straycat: There are two books in our library one "Bloodiest Gang in Illinois History" sorry can't think of his name and Bill Adams wrote one...both those books can be quickly obtained...Call Elaine or Linda at 497-2000 they will help u please notice that once the books bring u to peoria not a lot was said...they were apparently 'gangsters' down there...but as I said it was lot different here..also Bernie was a convicted convict and he coud NEVER own a liq license here...I know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the sheltons until they came here. Historian

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