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Re: Obama best in 47 years or dismal failure?
Aug 15, 2010 - 07:34 am
Seal writes:
I have to say Tyler, AV8R and I don't agree on the immigration matter whatsoever. But at NO time has he ever been snide or rude to me.

If you will go back and read your earliest posts directed at people you will notice your pattern and see what happens. People here have been debating things back and forth sometimes very hotly for a few years now. But in my experience you seem to make things personal far before anybody else.

Being passive aggressive is definitely not my style, I am an in your face type of person and will openly call you out for being an obnoxious jerk if the time comes and I fell it is necessary. If you doubt it, ask any mod how many warnings or "time outs" I have been given. For that matter ask Tapeworm or HipKat.



Seal,

I don't give a **** what you think. You weren't even around when I first started posting. You were on vacation. I never insulted anyone until they insulted me first, they just do it in a very backhanded manner (because they're pussies), and I just come right out and say what I think.

I think this forum is a waste of time and if I got banned I wouldn't blink an eye over it. I also think there's a certain false sense of belonging that comes from a small gathering of losers (Usually known as Regulars) who don't spend much time anywhere else on the internet. When an outsider says something that's at odds with one of the regulars, they gang up.

Like when you decided to stick your nose in an argument I was having with someone else and offered your oh-so-objective point of view that I was being too insulting. Then all these puppets call out in unison "don't mess with Seal" oooooooh. Shiver me testies. You mean, some guy with a wolf avatar is going to type some words into a keyboard at me? Well **** me running.

But most of all...I just get tired of arguing with people who don't even think. Most people don't, least of all people on forums like this, they simply don't have the experience base to be open to perspectives other than their own. So I don't worry about trying to convince people, I prefer just to point out how ignorant and irrational their opinion is.

Here's the worst part of all: this is the least entertaining forum I've ever participated in...and I've been in quite a few. I've never witnessed a larger collection of boring, unfunny, yokels in one place on the internet.

So, to conclude, I do not care if I've insulted you because I am not trying to be your friend. This is only entertainment for me...and very little at that.


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Re: Obama best in 47 years or dismal failure?
Aug 15, 2010 - 07:45 am
AV8R writes:
Are you implying that the federal government needs even MORE power than they already have usurped? That the federal government should be able to dictate to a sovereign state how that state is allowed to spend it's funds enforcing the law just because the law is codified as a federal statute?

State legislatures certainly DO have a right to tell their officers how to enforce the law. One need look no further than zero tolerance domestic violence laws which MANDATE an arrest be made in certain circumstances. Held to be Constitutional time and time again.

Well, I'll give you credit where credit is due Tyler: at least you've finally struck something in the whole argument that actually IS unconstitutional. The feds telling state legislatures how their officers are to enforce existing law.

You already admitted in your first sentence that there is no prohibition on state officers enforcing federal law, so you're making progress. You must be reading my legal citations. Stick to it young man, you might learn something on here. And for the record, I have never called you "cabbie" or "pothead." I confess to "typical liberal" because it fits. It was not meant to be derogatory. I'm a typical conservative.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Tenth Amendment.






Holy **** man your responses are so unnecessarily long-winded and boring I can't even read them anymore. Your sense of sarcasm also makes me want to rethink ever saying anything sarcastic ever again because you've demonstrated an ability to make it fail. And I didn't think sarcasm could ever be fail.

How many zero tolerance domestic violence laws has the Federal government sued a state government over? 0?

The Federal Government sees a conflict of interest in the way Arizona had chosen to enforce a Federal law, it effects the US on a national level and evidently our Government feels Arizona has overstepped their bounds (lulz).

As for my opinion, I truly do not care if the law is in violation of the Supremacy Clause, because I think it's racist, inhumane (as are the people in favor of it), and ultimately bad for our country so I'm glad someone attempted to put a stop to it.


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Re: Obama best in 47 years or dismal failure?
By: themrs916
Aug 15, 2010 - 07:47 am


he fell down skinned his knee and now is crying like a b!tch


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Re: Obama best in 47 years or dismal failure?
By: Seal
Aug 15, 2010 - 07:49 am
Tyler,

Once again your ignorance amazes me. Somebody offers you an objective and constructive idea and you take it as an insult and decide to go on the offensive.

As for the loser comment, before making comments like that you really need to take the time to realize who you are talking to and about. But one with your so called intelligence, or lack there of in some opinions, will just not understand.

My guess, since you brought it up about other forums is this. You join any you can, piss as many people off as you can then get banned and move on to the next. What's your average stay 4-6 weeks? One of the most interesting things you have posted was your comment about "regulars", have you noticed how often you are here and how much you post? If this is the least entertaining forum you have been to and don't enjoy it, here's an idea DO NOT come back. Its like tv if you don't like a show, don't turn it on.

If that avatar pic is you, I have to say you look amazingly like a guy I knew from Pekin. He was actually a good guy, just had his own ideas that left him a loner for the most part.

As for your attempted assaults on me, you fail.

Have a nice day Tyler, hope all goes well for you.


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Re: Obama best in 47 years or dismal failure?
Aug 15, 2010 - 08:11 am
Seal writes:
Tyler,

Once again your ignorance amazes me. Somebody offers you an objective and constructive idea and you take it as an insult and decide to go on the offensive.

As for the loser comment, before making comments like that you really need to take the time to realize who you are talking to and about. But one with your so called intelligence, or lack there of in some opinions, will just not understand.

My guess, since you brought it up about other forums is this. You join any you can, piss as many people off as you can then get banned and move on to the next. What's your average stay 4-6 weeks? One of the most interesting things you have posted was your comment about "regulars", have you noticed how often you are here and how much you post? If this is the least entertaining forum you have been to and don't enjoy it, here's an idea DO NOT come back. Its like tv if you don't like a show, don't turn it on.

If that avatar pic is you, I have to say you look amazingly like a guy I knew from Pekin. He was actually a good guy, just had his own ideas that left him a loner for the most part.

As for your attempted assaults on me, you fail.

Have a nice day Tyler, hope all goes well for you.



I wasn't trying to assault you Seal. I never really said anything about you...I was talking about the forum in general.

As for my intelligence, it's not a matter of opinion. Intelligence can actually be measured. You see there are these tests you can take, and it's not something voted on by random jackasses I've never met in a forum.

Look, I don't really give a **** if people insult me. I just don't like the fact that they call foul whenever I do it. It's just an absurd demonstration of stupidity and wearing blinders to everything except people and opinions they already accept.

One thing I will not do is be so arrogant as to call myself objective. But congratulations on your objectivity, evidently you have been born here, in this forum, in a vacuum free of all prejudice.

And you're right, I don't have to come back, and most of the people here suck, so I probably won't very often. But I noticed a few who are intelligent and funny, just getting shouted down by morons who rarely have any clue what they're talking about...so I felt compelled to enter a fray or two.


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Re: Obama best in 47 years or dismal failure?
By: Big Rog
Aug 15, 2010 - 09:07 am
themrs916 writes:


he fell down skinned his knee and now is crying like a b!tch





Yes, he is....



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Re: Obama best in 47 years or dismal failure?
By: 120202
Aug 15, 2010 - 09:11 am
What concerns me is the Worlds view of our Nation, and our leaders, present and past. Lets face it, our military has killed alot of civilians across the globe. Why would they respect Americans, and least of all trust. I"m waiting for a potus who champions peace, not war. Looking at the tension we cause over seas, the next war may not be far off. Pre-election BO mentioned an enhanced civilian force, drafted? REgardless, he needs a major "event" to occur to turn the numbers around, hype up his leadership qualities. Taxpayers just wrote the FED a check for 200 billion, interest on OUR debt. Classic debt slaves, the future.
And whats really a shame is the bank bailout billions went to foreign central banks, not here. Higher consumer prices are around the corner, food costs are rising now. Fuel will be next, a recipe for hyper inflation in opinion.
BO hasn't seen the worst of his problems yet, there's much more to come....hang on tight!

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Re: Obama best in 47 years or dismal failure?
By: AV8R
Aug 15, 2010 - 09:55 am
TylerSutherland writes:

How many zero tolerance domestic violence laws has the Federal government sued a state government over? 0?

The Federal Government sees a conflict of interest in the way Arizona had chosen to enforce a Federal law, it effects the US on a national level and evidently our Government feels Arizona has overstepped their bounds (lulz).

As for my opinion, I truly do not care if the law is in violation of the Supremacy Clause, because I think it's racist, inhumane (as are the people in favor of it), and ultimately bad for our country so I'm glad someone attempted to put a stop to it.



Well there it is then. You've run out of cogent arguments as do all trolls on this forum eventually, and you finally admit that you don't care about the Constitution because it's at odds with "what you feel." (Psssst, hey Tyler, pull up your pants bro, your narcissistic personality disorder is showing) Who besides you gives a sh!t what you feel? I sure don't.

Thanks for the laugh though, your comment that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT feels that a state government has overstepped IT'S bounds....priceless dude! Pot, meet kettle.

I'm done schooling you on the Constitution. Your feelings apparently override it, which makes reasoned debate all but impossible.


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Re: Obama best in 47 years or dismal failure?
By: Big Rog
Aug 15, 2010 - 11:58 am
AV8R writes:

I'm done schooling you on the Constitution.



Hmm............, I've never known you to tell a lie before, Av! So, I'll take that as kidding.



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Re: Obama best in 47 years or dismal failure?
By: Big Rog
Aug 15, 2010 - 01:08 pm
TylerSutherland writes:

I think this forum is a waste of time and if I got banned I wouldn't blink an eye over it. I also think there's a certain false sense of belonging that comes from a small gathering of losers (Usually known as Regulars) who don't spend much time anywhere else on the internet. When an outsider says something that's at odds with one of the regulars, they gang up.





I've been investigating them for a few years now, your right, and I'm getting close to a bust!
Here's some info that might help you as you cruise the 'hood.





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Re: Obama best in 47 years or dismal failure?
By: Big Rog
Aug 15, 2010 - 01:33 pm
Sounds like a great time for a little Queen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWsJcg-g1pg


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Re: Obama best in 47 years or dismal failure?
By: AV8R
Aug 17, 2010 - 07:02 pm
accurate.



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Re: Obama best in 47 years or dismal failure?
Aug 19, 2010 - 12:34 am
AV8R,

You haven't schooled me on anything you ****ing tool. My moral opinion may not be dictated by the Constitution, but that doesn't mean your argument is supported by the Constitution. Especially when you consider the fact that a Federal Judge thought it was necessary to intervene.

It's not that I've run out of arguments, I just said what I needed to and I'm tired of reading your repeated responses, and unlike you, I do not enjoy repeating myself.

Post all the precedents and LOL!! you want, the attorneys for the State of Arizona couldn't make the case, and neither can you. The key here is, the Constitution has always been and will always be, open for interpretation. Just look at all the debate that has taken place over the elastic clause and the right to bear arms... it's never ending, and just because you don't think my argument trumps yours, and I don't think yours disproves mine, does not mean either of us is truly right in terms of Constitutionality. What are we really arguing? The intentions of the founding fathers who have been dead for generations? What they had in mind on issues that didn't exist in their time? It's just absurd.

So, all that really matters at the end of the day is, what's best for the country? What's best for humanity? Our answers probably still won't be the same there... but that's why I'm not totally invested in my views being 100% in line with the Constitution at all times... I care more about these people being unfairly persecuted, based on heritage, nationality, or immigration status.

I am very well aware that no one cares what I think, but are you? You're so invested in debating on a forgettable forum, I'm starting to wonder if you know there is no such thing as winning here. The battle you had absolutely no part in, and no claim to, has already been lost for your side and a lot of the illegal immigrants you so despise are probably sleeping a little better in Arizona tonight knowing they can go to work tomorrow without a higher probability of being deported.

So, what can you do... make a bunch of morons believe the guy who cleverly put Mickey Mouse ears on Obama's head, kept typing until the other guy didn't want to anymore? Hey, good for you. Fight the good fight, Quixote.


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Re: Obama best in 47 years or dismal failure?
By: AV8R
Aug 19, 2010 - 07:19 pm
TylerSutherland writes:
AV8R,

You haven't schooled me on anything you ****ing tool.



Abusive Ad Hominem attacks are the last resort of those losing the debate Tyler.


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Re: Obama best in 47 years or dismal failure?
By: themrs916
Aug 20, 2010 - 07:52 am
yep


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