John Roberts' Vote on the Peoria.com Forums

This is an interesting take...it looks like Roberts may have switched his vote at the last second...

http://www.salon.com/2012/06/28/did_john_roberts_swi

At the very-least it has put the responsibility back onto Congress and the voters.. where it should of been all along. I think Republicans were confident it wouldn't stand against the scrutiny of the Supreme Court, confident; again with this approach they figured if they didn't act, Compromise, amend and work to get an overall acceptable reform that it would meet it's end at the steps of the Supreme Court....

Now it would seem, Republicans will have to do something. The Health Care law needs work, and it is going to be done with a government that functions or continues in the shape that it is in.

Obamacare needs to be on the ballot for the PEOPLE to decide on, but we know that won't happen...Polls say 60% want it gone.

If Roberts did switch votes, it would not be all that unusual as that does happen in the process of writing opinions. In addition, there is no real way we will ever know.

Immediately after the oral arguments, the justices meet by themselves and no law clerks are in the room. At that time, the justices first vote and see where they stand. As the process evolves, the research is done and opinions are written and more discussions. Over time, it is quite possible that justices, at times, change their votes.

Regarding Roberts, as I have stated in another topic, there were people present for the oral arguments that saw Roberts facial expressions and body language in response to some questions the other conservatuve justices that seemed to imply that Roberts was disagreeing with the other conservative justices.In addition the questions that Roberts asked also faintly implied that maybe he believed it should be upheld.

The feeling was that if any conservative was going to vote with the liberals it would be Roberts and probably Roberts alone.

In all fairness a number of people thought that the possibility of Roberts actually doing that were very, very remote. It was just that if any of the conservative ones voted to uphold Obamacare it would be Roberts.

To my knowledge, there's never been a nationwide referendum on anything like that ever done before in our nation's history.

America is not a democracy; America is a representative democracy. "Majority rules" doesn't apply to the masses on the federal level. We elect people (Congress) to serve as our representatives in the federal government. Congress passed Obamacare -- that is, our elected representatives passed Obamacare. Even the Supreme Court justices, who are appointed by the President, need to be vetted and approved by our representatives (in this case, our elected Senators).

Don't blame the government if you don't like Obamacare; blame who you and your fellow Americans elected to represent you in our government.

You may also want to break out the Schoolhouse Rock videos from way back when if you need a better understanding of how our federal government works.

@Sterling:

The "elected" representative ARE the government per se, so placing the blame on them is exactly what should be done.

Just because there never has been to your knowledge doesn't mean there shouldn't be.

Remember just because you "tell" them how to vote doesn't mean that is the way they vote, do some research on the Electoral College.

Depends upon which poll you look at.

I would be more than pleased to have the american people vote on the provisions of the bill individually.

Oh and we all have to call it Obamney care now too. :-)

@joepyeweed:

I say we just call in another unwanted Government intervention into my life, or Bull**** for short.

Most people won't notice a difference.

Some people - healthy, young people will probably opt to pay the tax, because it will be cheaper than buying insurance.

healthy young people making less than $250K a year? Almost sounds like a tax increase to me.

Another broken promise.

So let me get this straight...

Conservatives say, "More people need to stop relying on the government and need to learn to be more responsible with obtaining their own health insurance."

Government says, "That's a great idea, let's penalize people who don't take the responsibility to get themselves insured, but let's also make sure everyone has the option to get affordable health insurance if they want it."

Conservatives reply, "How dare the government encourage personal responsibility through taxation!"

My taxes still haven't gone up because of the "largest tax increase ever," by the way.

did you think your taxes would go up overnight? You're obviously trolling, and doing a poor job of it.

What the Supreme Court basically did was stay out of it, and direct attention to where it should be: Congress. Stop blaming Roberts, he isn't an elected official.

@AV8R

Certainly Not; I'm much more concerned about the war bill when it comes due. Taxes are going up regardless, unless of course you know of another way to Cut Spending, while increasing the size of the Empire and feeding the war machine without increasing taxes.

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@Pock

I believe @AV8R was referring to me trolling because I mentioned that my taxes haven't gone up in the "largest tax increase in history". All I'm asking for is some proof of that, because as long as I'm insured, it won't affect my taxes.

you'll get your proof in due time, as long as you're working.

Taxes are going to go up - it doesn't matter which politicians are in office. Taxes have to go up because they are at their lowest rates in years AND because we have a huge deficit.

One thing we can thank the republicans for is proof that tax cuts do not equal economic growth.