Interesting Comparison on the Peoria.com Forums - Page 3

I stand on that statement as a Jewish belief, not mine. I was trying to point out an issue that invalidated Joe's point. I was NOT claiming that was a Christian belief at all. That seems to be the point you keep missing in my posts, they are about the DIFFERENCES between Christianity, Muslims and Jewish belief systems.


Notice the statement also says "could not have possible fulfilled the product of a virgin birth, he had no father—and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David."

Notice it directly states his FATHER's lineage nothing about his Mothers.

Okie Dokie....

Acceptable?

rog like the hair do. TnT

100%

Thanks, it's a wig. I got tired of being called "baldy".


See...

Where did I ever say that there were no differences between the religions?

jpw, you probably don't remember because of this

j/k

Hmm, you said they all have the SAME core beliefs. I would say the belief that Jesus is the son of God is a VERY important and key core belief to the Christian religion, excluding a few.

Notice Rog, didn't even argue that point. I am sure if I was in error on his importance Rog would have called me on it.

Without going back into the thread for quotes, I believe I said the Christians all share the same core beliefs.... at least in the context of the conversation... which was originally about christians. IMO, "sharing the same core beliefs" is not the same thing as "having no differences".

and then I went on to say the Jews, Muslims and Christians are worshiping the same God...Which is a fact that is not really debatable.

Actually "Christians" don't ALL share the same core beliefs either.

Lets start with Jehovah's Witness':

JW’s believe that Jesus Christ was a perfect man, and that He is a person distinct from God the Father. However, they also teach that before His earthly life, Jesus was a spirit creature, Michael the archangel, who was created by God and became the Messiah at His baptism. According to Jehovah’s Witnesses, Jesus is a mighty one, although not almighty as Jehovah God is. According to John 1:1 in their Bible, The New World Translation, Christ is “a god,” but not “the God.” They teach that Jesus “was and is and always will be beneath Jehovah” and that “Christ and God are not coequal”.

At least that is my understanding, if I am wrong TnT please correct me. I am honestly trying to learn more and understand your religion.

Next, lets look at Mormons (or Latter Day Saints):

According to Mormon theology, Jesus is the literal son of god and his goddess wife. He was born through physical sexual relations with Mary. Brigham Young taught that Jesus was not born with any involvement of the Holy Spirit.

According to Mormon theology, Jesus was born in Jerusalem (Book of Mormon, Alma 7:9,10) and is of the Tribe of Benjamin. The city of Jerusalem (Jebusi) belonged to the tribe of Benjamin (Joshua 18:21-28).

According to Mormon theology, Jesus was married and had wives. Thus, in Heaven, Jesus will continue to be married to his wives forever.

In Mormon theology, in the "Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 370", Joseph Smith taught that God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit exist as 3 gods. The Trinity is three separate gods.

According to Mormon theology, in Doctrines and Covenants 130:22, "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also". According to Doctrines and Covenants section 93, man was co-eternal with God in the beginning. In 1844, Joseph Smith began teaching that the Book of Abraham teaches that God is but one link in an infinite ancestral chain of Gods stretching back through eternity. God is only one of innumerable Gods. The Church believes that humans are the literal offspring of God and one of his celestial wives, and because of this we all have the potential to achieve exaltation to divine status. Smith taught beginning in 1844 that God had a literal father, and that father had a literal father, and so on. Mormons also teach that we existed in heaven with God (our literal Father) as spirits before we became human.

Core belief of Christians is John 3:16

I am just going to throw this out. I have some real life experience with this. Yes, I know all the Abrahamic faiths share similar literature, history, etc... but when you get to the man on the street and the pastor/priest/rabbi/imman in the pulpit, "Their God is not your God". All this talk about worshiping the same God.... no no no. The Peoria area is pretty moderate and tolerant but this isn't the case in other parts of the world, parts of this nation, or parts even of this state (head south).

It isn't simply a difference in worship or rituals. Many of these folks believe to their core and it is preached that there is only ONE way to worship and follow the faith and that any derivation is in actuality worship of the devil/anti-christ/pick your villain.

There were a lot of Baptists and other fundamentalists down South who were quite open and aggressive in the believe that Catholics did not worship God or Jesus at all, and that the pope was the anti-Christ. They were aggressive to others as well who were not of their denomination. No one went so far as to be violent but you could tell it simmered underneath for some. Harassment however was not uncommon. Of course the Police would have nothing to do with it lest it spark a separation of church n state controversy.

Mahkno,

Well said, precisely the point I am trying to make.

John 3:16 (New International Version)

16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


So OBVIOUSLY you just strenthened and proved my point for me. NOT all Christian based religions believe Jesus was the son of God at all.