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Better than smoking bath salts, errr, whatever, right?

Mar 20, 2012 - 06:23 am
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Better than smoking bath salts, errr, whatever, right?



Definitely better then that.


Mar 20, 2012 - 06:26 am
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HipKat writes:
The bickering is a moot point, really. I'll continue to post the little insights and testimonials as they occur, you're side will continue to tell us how we're brainwashed, etc and at the end of the day, either one of us is right or both are wrong.

I gonna go ahead stick to God train. Brainwashed or not, it's working pretty well to me



* I'm not bickering... are you?
* insights and testimonials... okay fine, but this is an atheist thread... so expect some "that's not proof". Or perhaps the thread was purposely put here to tell us how wrong we are in the first place...
* I never said anyone was brainwashed... so, I'll assume that was for others.
* yes, one of us is right, one (or both) is wrong. We can agree on that. I'm not worried, and neither are you.
* (sticking with the Book) I don't have a problem with that. There are a lot of good rules to live by... Heck, it's a good source for how to conduct oneself. I don't see that as a bad thing.

and DEFINITELY better than bath salts! ...even if we are really just talking about bath salts, a code to live by is better 'n that. (Honestly, the other thread... I didn't know he was talking about stuff ppl used to alter their minds... I thought he was talking about potpourri and other girly stuff... naive, I guess.)


Mar 20, 2012 - 07:11 am
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HipKat writes:
The bickering is a moot point, really. I'll continue to post the little insights and testimonials as they occur, you're side will continue to tell us how we're brainwashed, etc and at the end of the day, either one of us is right or both are wrong.

I gonna go ahead stick to God train. Brainwashed or not, it's working pretty well to me



+1

The way I see it is: if the atheists are right, I've lost nothing. If the atheists are wrong, they've lost everything.


Mar 20, 2012 - 08:02 pm
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HipKat writes:
The bickering is a moot point, really. I'll continue to post the little insights and testimonials as they occur, you're side will continue to tell us how we're brainwashed, etc and at the end of the day, either one of us is right or both are wrong.

I gonna go ahead stick to God train. Brainwashed or not, it's working pretty well to me



+1

The way I see it is: if the atheists are right, I've lost nothing. If the atheists are wrong, they've lost everything.



When Christians use Pascal's Wager they usually fail to recognize that they are in just as much danger in going to the Muslim hell or the Mayan underworld as an atheist. It isn't a dichotomy. The possible outcomes after death aren't either: 1. Christianity is correct or 2. There is no god at all. There are literally thousands of other gods that may be the true god. There may be an afterlife that isn't the Christian afterlife. Even if the atheists are right and there is no afterlife, you STILL have lost something. Like it or not, our earthly life is the only one we are ever going to experience. If you sacrifice that one life in doormat subservience to a nonexistent god, that you have lost everything.


Mar 20, 2012 - 08:20 pm
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The way I see it is: if the atheists are right, I've lost nothing. If the atheists are wrong, they've lost everything.



This is true, froggy. But saying that someone might be wrong doesn't act like a magic wand and make someone believe.

For those that believe... good for you. you can rest assure your destiny (unless you go to a Muslim hell, etc.) because you have FAITH (not proof). you have no fear you will end up in Muslim hell... just like I don't fear I will go to Hell either.


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malachite, I have to disagree with your doormat subservience comment. I have no doubt that they find joy in doing this, as I have joy serving others (just not in the name of God). For this, I think you are wrong, because what brings you joy is a positive thing here on earth.

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Zoroast is the one true god; no one is going to heaven.

Mar 20, 2012 - 08:45 pm
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Subservient. Brainwashed. Whatever. I'm happy to be a devoted, monotheistic Believer.

I don't come here to convert anyone, btw. I come here to hopefully be someone's next step in their belief process. It took years and quite a few people for me to come over to the light side 100%. I had many folks be that next step for me, answering a multitude of my questions and helping me to better understand what God is all about. If I can help one person here find answers to their questions and get them one step closer to God, then I've served my purpose in life. That's all I can ask for.

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malachite, I have to disagree with your doormat subservience comment. I have no doubt that they find joy in doing this, as I have joy serving others (just not in the name of God). For this, I think you are wrong, because what brings you joy is a positive thing here on earth.



I have no doubt that it brings joy to some. It also brings a lot of guilt and anxiety with a god that sees your every move and knows your every thought. Especially when the punishment for sin is eternal torment. I can sympathize with those who don't find this joyous.


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I used to think that way, too, malachite, but discovered that the reason I didn't find God "joyous" was because I had no relationship with Him whatsoever. And that was a very recent discovery.

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and they feel a lifetime of love (from God), real or not that has to feel good.

I don't see it as any better or any worse. As a former Believer, I am not crying over lost time, lost anything...

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I know what you're saying. Fair enough. There are just certain concepts in Christianity that I just can't get past.

Mar 20, 2012 - 09:37 pm
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malachite writes:
froggy writes:
HipKat writes:
The bickering is a moot point, really. I'll continue to post the little insights and testimonials as they occur, you're side will continue to tell us how we're brainwashed, etc and at the end of the day, either one of us is right or both are wrong.

I gonna go ahead stick to God train. Brainwashed or not, it's working pretty well to me



+1

The way I see it is: if the atheists are right, I've lost nothing. If the atheists are wrong, they've lost everything.



When Christians use Pascal's Wager they usually fail to recognize that they are in just as much danger in going to the Muslim hell or the Mayan underworld as an atheist. It isn't a dichotomy. The possible outcomes after death aren't either: 1. Christianity is correct or 2. There is no god at all. There are literally thousands of other gods that may be the true god. There may be an afterlife that isn't the Christian afterlife. Even if the atheists are right and there is no afterlife, you STILL have lost something. Like it or not, our earthly life is the only one we are ever going to experience. If you sacrifice that one life in doormat subservience to a nonexistent god, that you have lost everything.



The problem with most of the other Gods that have been worshipped over time is that they lost relevance. Well, most have. No one is making blood sacrifices to the Mayan sun Gods, or preparing for the return of Horus. Loki isn't wrecking havoc on Valhalla.

Truth is, isn't the Muslim Hell the same as the Hell in the Old Testament? Isn't the Jewish religion also based, primarily on the old testament?

Allah is the God of the Old Testament, isn't he?? The Jewish faith believes that Christ is yet to come. All variations of the same story.

There are some concepts I had a hard time getting past. Particularly the latter chapters of Exodus and the beginning of Leviticus. I mean, splashing blood on the people? Rules about which calf to sacrifice, how to repay the stolen virginity of a slave's daughter.....

Fact is, all of that went away when Christ died on the cross. To me, that was when God changed, because his son sacrificed himself.


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malachite writes:
I know what you're saying. Fair enough. There are just certain concepts in Christianity that I just can't get past.



This is basically my thought. I have no problem whatsoever with people believing something that encourages them to be a better, kinder person, no matter what my personal feelings on said religion may be.

However, I heard just about all of the christians in this thread post at one time or another, that the sole path to heaven is to believe in god and worship him; not to do good deeds, not to help others, not to make the world a better place. That certainly makes me more suspect of those so-called christians.


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