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Re: Earth and the works in it will be discovered...
By: Seal
May 20, 2012 - 11:06 am
froggy writes:
Seal writes:
froggy writes:
No one is changing the meaning of any word, Seal. Being overweight does not necessarily mean being a glutton. Health issues can definitely play a part in weight, whether over- or under- and once the underlying problem has been fixed the problem goes away. Your definition of gluttony doesn't apply then.

Sure, more often than not we are guilty of gluttony but I wanted to point out that, as with many things in this world, sometimes things are not as black and white as you want them to be.

Also, just to clarify, all sins are deadly if you never repent.



It was an example, Gluttony has many forms. I would say being an over zealous bible beater could be considered gluttony.


The point is this, Christians like to claim they follow the Bible; when challenged about it with the Old Testament you claim it isn't followed..You immediately follow this up with, the Ten Commandments are still used; along with other "stories" you claim are "the gospel". You can't have it both ways, either the Old Testament was "washed" away with the death of Christ or it wasn't. Please choose and option and stick with it, it would give more credibility for me to believe. It's the hypocrisy of Christianity that drives people away.



What specifically are you referring to that isn't being followed?



The easier question would be go answer what IS being followed. Read back when stories from the Old Testament were brought up, and the contradictions within the Bible. The immediate response is "That was the Old Testament, we follow the New".


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Re: Earth and the works in it will be discovered...
By: froggy
May 20, 2012 - 05:01 pm
Seal writes:

The easier question would be go answer what IS being followed. Read back when stories from the Old Testament were brought up, and the contradictions within the Bible. The immediate response is "That was the Old Testament, we follow the New".



Mathew 5:17-19

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



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Re: Earth and the works in it will be discovered...
Jun 3, 2012 - 09:45 pm
But the real purpose of the Law was, as stated by the apostle Paul, “to make transgressions manifest, until the seed should arrive.” It was a “tutor leading to Christ.” It pointed to Christ as the objective aimed at (“Christ is the end of the Law”). It revealed that all humans, including the Jews, are under sin and that life cannot be obtained by “works of law.” (Ga 3:19-24; Ro 3:20; 10:4) It was “spiritual,” from God, and “holy.” (Ro 7:12, 14) At Ephesians 2:15 it is called “the Law of commandments consisting in decrees.” It was a standard of perfection, marking the one who could keep it as perfect, worthy of life. (Le 18:5; Ga 3:12) Since imperfect humans could not keep the Law, it showed that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Ro 3:23) Only Jesus Christ kept it blamelessly.—Joh 8:46; Heb 7:26.
The Law also served as “a shadow of the good things to come,” and things connected with it were “typical representations,” causing Jesus and the apostles to call upon it often to explain heavenly things and matters concerning Christian doctrine and conduct. Therefore, it provides an essential and necessary field of study for the Christian.—Heb 10:1; 9:23.
Jesus said that the whole Law hung upon the two commandments, to love God and to love one’s neighbor. (Mt 22:35-40) It is interesting that in the book of Deuteronomy (where the Law was modified somewhat to govern Israel’s new circumstances upon settling in the Promised Land) the Hebrew words for “love,” “loved,” and so forth, appear more than 20 times.
The Ten Words (Ex 34:28), or the Ten Commandments, were the basic part of the Law but were combined with about 600 other laws, all of which were of equal force and binding power upon the Israelites. (Jas 2:10) The first four of the Ten Commandments defined man’s relationship to God; the fifth, to God and to parents; and the last five, to one’s fellowman. These last five were named in apparent order of severity of harm done to one’s fellowman: murder, adultery, stealing, bearing false witness, and covetousness or selfish desire. The tenth commandment makes the Law unique in comparison with the laws of all other nations in that it prohibits selfish desire, a command in reality enforceable only by God. It actually got at the cause of violation of all the other commandments.—Ex 20:2-17; De 5:6-21; compare Eph 5:5; Col 3:5; Jas 1:14, 15; 1Jo 2:15-17.
The Law contained many principles and guiding statutes. The judges were given latitude to investigate and consider motives and attitude of violators, along with the circumstances surrounding the violation. A deliberate, disrespectful, or unrepentant violator received the full penalty. (Nu 15:30, 31) In other cases a lighter judgment might be determined. For example, whereas a murderer was to be put to death without fail, an accidental manslayer could receive mercy. (Nu 35:15, 16) The owner of a bull that habitually gored people and that killed a man might die; or the judges might impose a ransom. (Ex 21:29-32) The difference between a deliberate thief and a wrongdoer who voluntarily confessed evidently accounts for the difference between the penalty stated at Exodus 22:7 and that of Leviticus 6:1-7.


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