Rush Limbaugh on the Peoria.com Forums - Page 5

The issue isn't that someone else should pay. The issue is that these students are paying for insurance that doesn't cover health care required by some students.

They are paying for something and it doesn't meet their needs. They aren't asking for anyone else to pay for it.

I would think after four pages of comments you would take the time to actually listen to what she said. If you did listen and still come back with "trying to make a case before God and the world about why someone other than myself should be responsible for my contraception"; then god have mercy on you.

Btw, on a side note: the way insurance works is that everyone pays into a fund which then funds everyone's health care. This works by spreading the risk, sharing the costs and bundling the services to buy in bulk quantity. Its republican rhetoric to label insurance coverage as "paying for other people's health care". Yup. That's the definition of insurance, but its not derogatory (unless you are a republican).

Btw, on a second side note: wealthy people, who the republicans support, really only carry major medical insurance. Wealthy republicans have enough liquid assets to pay for routine health care out of pocket. Wealthy republicans are so out of touch with the middle and low income people, they have no clue that the majority of americans cannot afford even routine health care without having an insurance plan that covers more than just major medical. Hence the problem with the republican solutions for health care and the misleading rhetoric about paying for other people's health care.

My point on this thread has been that the opinions you expressed are not your own. If you had formed those opinions by listening to the student, then you've got some serious problems.

I think Hip made some good points.

I think Hip needs to look in the mirror.

Why I feel strongly: Both my daughter and I have (had) PCOS. I had the surgical wedge correction and still had to regulate periods with birth control to avoid the risk of uterine cancer. By the time we discovered that my daughter also had PCOS, they were no longer using the surgery and she was regulated by contraceptives. At that time, insurance required a Doctors explanation of why she needed the script and it then covered the medication. She was told at age 14 that she may never be able to have children. Fortunately, through regulating her system and appropriate "time off", she has given birth to two beautiful little boys. The "friend" Ms. Fluke talked about was not so lucky. I understand that she developed ovarian cancer and had to have it removed. Ms. Fluke was talking about women's health and access to it. She is an advocate for women's health and I applaud her courage in coming forward. As an individual who lived with PCOS and is a breast cancer survivor, I appreciate those advocates, whether it is the Komen Foundation, Planned Parenthood or Ms. Fluke and other advocates.

Wow. Ramble! It is very personal for you, thanks for sharing. Congrats to you and your daughter for surviving.

I'm glad that the state of Illinois requires all employers to cover contraception just as it would any other prescription.

Ramble it would be easy enough to make a provision for medical necessity, a lot of prescriptions have multiple and or off label uses,

Eighteen years ago it was not so easy. I had to prove that the medication was needed for reasons other than contraception. Illinois law now requires coverage but has a very broad exception.

There is a provision for medical necessity, you should really research an issue and watch the testimony of the person you're speaking about... especially if you're going to join Rush in suggesting she's some kind of slut.

These people are systematically trying to deny birth control coverage no matter what the scenario, despite the very real medical necessity and it's putting women in serious danger.

And with ignorant opinions such as yours floating around, I can see why.

So it's time for my two cents here...I know you've all been waiting for this!

First off, let's take a look at Sandra Fluke. By testifying before Congress, she became a public figure. She's not some coed law student trying to make it through college, like they want you to believe. She is a 30 year old hard core women's rights activist, who reviewed Georgetown's insurance policy before enrolling, and enrolled with the stated plan to try and change this policy. Context changes things, this isn't some organic protest as the left wants you to believe.

As far as a libel suit...Sandra Fluke is clearly a public figure. Since she's a public figure, she would have to prove that Rush spoke with "actual malice" towards her. There are 4 additional parts to a libel claim, besides actual malice. A false and defamatory statement concerning another; The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement); If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and Damage to the plaintiff.

She would be covered under what's called defamation per se, meaning the damage would not have to be proven. The problem is, she would have to prove that Rush knew she was not a slut or prostitute. While it might be reasonable to think that...there's really no way of proving that Rush knew she wasn't.

His comments may be in poor taste, but they're not illegal, nor libelous.

It's not about what I like or don't like; your opinions are based on nothing solid and you battle everyone even though there's nothing there to battle for. It would be like me standing up for the tooth fairy and battling furiously to prove that the tooth fairy exists even though there's reasonable evidence that it doesn't, but just because the people I support said it does, then without doing any research on my own, or just ignoring the research that exists, I just take it all on and defiantly state that the tooth fairy does exist because I say so.

Lose the husband.....

Luke,

I like how you don't even really concede that calling this woman a slut and a prostitute is "in poor taste."

Dude, who gives a **** if she wanted to change the policy? She paid for it, and she's not the only person who suffers through it.

It serves a greater good, and I'm glad she got herself involved to make a change for a lot of women like her.

This needed to happen, get the **** over it.

HK, Joepy, Tyler etal, your attempts to pigeon hole my opnion as off beat or somehow out of the main stream won't work. Any person with even a shred of independent thought will question why this private Law School student should have her contraception paid for by someone else. What's next? Tampons, health club memberships? Your attempted narrative is clear, but it won't work come November.

I don't think the issue is "having someone pay" for Ms. Fluke's friend's contraception, it is having the insurance that she is paying for cover the prescription for a contraceptive that was given to her by her doctor for a medical need. I am no soothsayer and therefore cannot predict what November will bring. Right now, I am not even sure who all the candidates will be. Nowhere have I seen or heard a request for feminine hygiene products or health club memberships. Some employers have arranged for discounted health club memberships. Heck, some even have them onsite to encourage wellness. I hope that a workable compromise can be reached that protects the doctrine of the religious community while still making health and wellness accessible.

Just for the record, There was not a provision for medical necessity in the Blunt amendment, which is what the hearing was supposed to be about.

and I will say it one more time, she wasn't asking someone else to pay for it, she was asking that medically necessary treatments be included in the health insurance that students were paying for...

Just gotta say ... these are the funniest 5 pages I've read in a long long time.