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JnJ writes:
I completely reject the notion that Obama will win reelection. If that was the case the implication would be that there are extremely low standards of accountability in regards to achievement for a U.S. President to win a second term.



From the recent Sullivan article that is way too long for you to read:

They miss, it seems to me, two vital things. The first is the simple scale of what has been accomplished on issues liberals say they care about. A depression was averted. The bail-out of the auto industry was—amazingly—successful. Even the bank bailouts have been repaid to a great extent by a recovering banking sector. The Iraq War—the issue that made Obama the nominee—has been ended on time and, vitally, with no troops left behind. Defense is being cut steadily, even as Obama has moved his own party away from a Pelosi-style reflexive defense of all federal entitlements. Under Obama, support for marriage equality and marijuana legalization has crested to record levels. Under Obama, a crucial state, New York, made marriage equality for gays an irreversible fact of American life. Gays now openly serve in the military, and the Defense of Marriage Act is dying in the courts, undefended by the Obama Justice Department. Vast government money has been poured into noncarbon energy investments, via the stimulus. Fuel-emission standards have been drastically increased. Torture was ended. Two moderately liberal women replaced men on the Supreme Court. Oh, yes, and the liberal holy grail that eluded Johnson and Carter and Clinton, nearly universal health care, has been set into law. Politifact recently noted that of 508 specific promises, a third had been fulfilled and only two have not had some action taken on them. To have done all this while simultaneously battling an economic hurricane makes Obama about as honest a follow-through artist as anyone can expect from a politician.



He scores just fine on accountability.


Jan 18, 2012 - 12:23 pm
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First I have to WANT to read it.

Jan 18, 2012 - 04:18 pm
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JnJ writes:
First I have to WANT to read it.



You sound like Colbert:

"I'm not a fan of facts. You see, the facts can change, but my opinion will never change, no matter what the facts are," -- Colbert "


Jan 18, 2012 - 04:33 pm
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I suppose you're suggesting that you might change your mind? Phfft.

Jan 18, 2012 - 05:06 pm
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Yes... smart people do change their mind.

Jan 18, 2012 - 05:33 pm
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You guys are so full of crap. The chances of you beginning to think like me are about as great as the chances of me beginning to think like you. Can we cut the pious baloney?

Jan 18, 2012 - 06:23 pm
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I have changed my mind on many topics as I've learned more, had different life experiences, etc. Like Churchill said, "If you're not a liberal at age 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at age 40, you have no brain."

Jan 18, 2012 - 07:22 pm
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I have changed my mind on many topics as I've learned more, had different life experiences, etc. Like Churchill said, "If you're not a liberal at age 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at age 40, you have no brain."



Churchill didn't say that, and in fact died what could only be interpreted as liberal today. Thank the hack Krauthammer for falsely attributing that tidbit of rubbish to common lexicon.

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/myths/myths/qu


Jan 18, 2012 - 07:46 pm
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bigluke23 writes:
I have changed my mind on many topics as I've learned more, had different life experiences, etc. Like Churchill said, "If you're not a liberal at age 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at age 40, you have no brain."



Churchill didn't say that, and in fact died what could only be interpreted as liberal today. Thank the hack Krauthammer for falsely attributing that tidbit of rubbish to common lexicon.

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/myths/myths/qu



I stand corrected...but it doesn't change the fact that people can change their views over time


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People not only can change their views over time but they should...if life experiences and learning over time don't change your opinion then you need some serious self-evaluation.

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Exactly. For instance, I used to think Leslie was a liberal hack. Now I just think she's a liberal.


Jan 18, 2012 - 08:36 pm
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Exactly. For instance, I used to think Leslie was a liberal hack. Now I just think she's a liberal.



Awww...


Jan 18, 2012 - 08:38 pm
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I think I can attest to the fact that even the most lost can be convinced to change their perspective

Jan 18, 2012 - 08:41 pm
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The day HK, Shifty, Joepy and Leslie etal start arguing a conservative point of view, I will eat my hat.

Jan 18, 2012 - 08:46 pm
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JnJ writes:
The day HK, Shifty, Joepy and Leslie etal start arguing a conservative point of view, I will eat my hat.



This from the woman who spews FOX talking points all of the time and refuses to even read something that has an opposing viewpoint.

I have posted conservative points on more than one occasion and we have even had conversations about my conservative points of view.


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